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	<title>Comments on: Boris is wrong &#8211; trade union strikes should never be illegal</title>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the rmt have announced that maintenance workers and signalling staff have voted to take strike action and as a network rail employee i find this disgusting.  this millitant organisation can bully employers, and back them into a corner just like the unite union is doing with ba.  the days of striking should be long gone and banned.  i believe unions do a good job negotiating memebers terms, pay rises etc but striking is uncalled for.   i recieved a ballot paper off the rmt but whatever i voted for makes no odds cos the majority voted to take strike action, so if i strike my family get punished because i will lose pay and bonus payments etc and if i dont strike ill be singled out, victimised and bullied by millitant union members who take it upon themselves to tell people how to behave.  its a lose lose situation as far as i can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the rmt have announced that maintenance workers and signalling staff have voted to take strike action and as a network rail employee i find this disgusting.  this millitant organisation can bully employers, and back them into a corner just like the unite union is doing with ba.  the days of striking should be long gone and banned.  i believe unions do a good job negotiating memebers terms, pay rises etc but striking is uncalled for.   i recieved a ballot paper off the rmt but whatever i voted for makes no odds cos the majority voted to take strike action, so if i strike my family get punished because i will lose pay and bonus payments etc and if i dont strike ill be singled out, victimised and bullied by millitant union members who take it upon themselves to tell people how to behave.  its a lose lose situation as far as i can see.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-18523&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Antisthenes&lt;/a&gt; - As far as I was aware they can only fire striking workers after they have been on strike for 12 weeks, and they must fire all striking workers or none at all.

As for temporary staff, there is a lot of confusion. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/SI2003/20033319.htm#7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003&lt;/a&gt; Section 7.  Which seems to suggest that you cannot bring in temporary staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-18523' rel="nofollow">@Antisthenes</a> &#8211; As far as I was aware they can only fire striking workers after they have been on strike for 12 weeks, and they must fire all striking workers or none at all.</p>
<p>As for temporary staff, there is a lot of confusion. See <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/SI2003/20033319.htm#7" rel="nofollow">The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003</a> Section 7.  Which seems to suggest that you cannot bring in temporary staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Quango MP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Quango MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Alistair.
Potentially 12 million people are effected by a tube strike. They aren&#039;t one offs either. A couple a year or threats of them anyway. the tube is one of the last unions that can shut down its employers operation completely and so has great power.  
Boris appeals to the 11,975,000 who aren&#039;t members of the tube union and links the Unite media storm to Bob Crowe in commuter&#039;s minds.

Unite are going to use their funds for the labour party whatever happens. They already have a sophisticated union member voting operation running. 
Union legislation, that Tony Blair promised the unions he would repeal, and never touched because it made the country governable again,
was the greatest of Mrs T&#039;s reforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Alistair.<br />
Potentially 12 million people are effected by a tube strike. They aren&#8217;t one offs either. A couple a year or threats of them anyway. the tube is one of the last unions that can shut down its employers operation completely and so has great power.<br />
Boris appeals to the 11,975,000 who aren&#8217;t members of the tube union and links the Unite media storm to Bob Crowe in commuter&#8217;s minds.</p>
<p>Unite are going to use their funds for the labour party whatever happens. They already have a sophisticated union member voting operation running.<br />
Union legislation, that Tony Blair promised the unions he would repeal, and never touched because it made the country governable again,<br />
was the greatest of Mrs T&#8217;s reforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Antisthenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antisthenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking up the point that curbing unions by making them pay for the damage they do is very valid.

LFAT, Any public sector worker who goes on strike should have a reasonable sum – say, £500 – deducted from their next pay cheque and these funds should reinvested into the services that they harmed by walking out, be it Transport for London or their local school or hospital. Has it&#039;s merits but would be seen as an injustice.
Kyle, Allow companies to bring in temporary staff, and even to fire and replace those who strike. As I understand it that is available now but rarely used where it has been it has mixed results.

Tinkering with union rules would just be skating over the problem and methods to overcome restrictions would be devised.

I suggest that it be enshrined in law that any innocent party should be allowed to sue the opposing parties engaged in a strike for damages for financial loss and personal inconvenience, both parties to pay the damages 50/50. That hardly can be seen as unfair and would ensure that most disputes were settled by negotiation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking up the point that curbing unions by making them pay for the damage they do is very valid.</p>
<p>LFAT, Any public sector worker who goes on strike should have a reasonable sum – say, £500 – deducted from their next pay cheque and these funds should reinvested into the services that they harmed by walking out, be it Transport for London or their local school or hospital. Has it&#8217;s merits but would be seen as an injustice.<br />
Kyle, Allow companies to bring in temporary staff, and even to fire and replace those who strike. As I understand it that is available now but rarely used where it has been it has mixed results.</p>
<p>Tinkering with union rules would just be skating over the problem and methods to overcome restrictions would be devised.</p>
<p>I suggest that it be enshrined in law that any innocent party should be allowed to sue the opposing parties engaged in a strike for damages for financial loss and personal inconvenience, both parties to pay the damages 50/50. That hardly can be seen as unfair and would ensure that most disputes were settled by negotiation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it is totally wrong to ban striking outright, as Boris seems to be suggesting.  But surely a more effective method - and one that needs to be done - should be to remove some of the pro-union legislation that allows for them to strike safely.   Allow companies to bring in temporary staff, and even to fire and replace those who strike.  That would level the playing field somewhat don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is totally wrong to ban striking outright, as Boris seems to be suggesting.  But surely a more effective method &#8211; and one that needs to be done &#8211; should be to remove some of the pro-union legislation that allows for them to strike safely.   Allow companies to bring in temporary staff, and even to fire and replace those who strike.  That would level the playing field somewhat don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antisthenes, times have certainly changed for most people who live outside the world of the unions.  Maybe we should pay unions taxpayers&#039; money to &#039;modernise&#039;?  Oh... wait....

Alastair, they might be vote winners in the short-term but I don&#039;t think it is wise to get the backs up of union leaders right now, given their supposed £25 million war chest that is waiting to be unleashed against a Conservative government.

Tony E, hard to say without the full details, but I see where you&#039;re coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antisthenes, times have certainly changed for most people who live outside the world of the unions.  Maybe we should pay unions taxpayers&#8217; money to &#8216;modernise&#8217;?  Oh&#8230; wait&#8230;.</p>
<p>Alastair, they might be vote winners in the short-term but I don&#8217;t think it is wise to get the backs up of union leaders right now, given their supposed £25 million war chest that is waiting to be unleashed against a Conservative government.</p>
<p>Tony E, hard to say without the full details, but I see where you&#8217;re coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lfat, I think you have made more of Boris&#039; comments than was intended. 

At present, if a union enters into a &#039;no-strike&#039; agreement, it only need ballot its members in the usual way to break that agreement. There is no legislative framework under which businesses and unions can enter into these situations and either side be able to hold the other to the agreements made. The company gives the union what it wants for the agrement to put in place, but when the union decides it wants more it can tear the agreement up with impunity.

What I inferred from this is that he feels that a Conservative government might enact legislation to set in place a framework of penalties for companies and unions which would help to encourage no strike agreements to be kept. This might include a higher vote threshold for a union to break from an agreement than the normal plain majority, say a 66% vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lfat, I think you have made more of Boris&#8217; comments than was intended. </p>
<p>At present, if a union enters into a &#8216;no-strike&#8217; agreement, it only need ballot its members in the usual way to break that agreement. There is no legislative framework under which businesses and unions can enter into these situations and either side be able to hold the other to the agreements made. The company gives the union what it wants for the agrement to put in place, but when the union decides it wants more it can tear the agreement up with impunity.</p>
<p>What I inferred from this is that he feels that a Conservative government might enact legislation to set in place a framework of penalties for companies and unions which would help to encourage no strike agreements to be kept. This might include a higher vote threshold for a union to break from an agreement than the normal plain majority, say a 66% vote.</p>
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		<title>By: alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We live in a democracy where people have a vote, not unions.  I think the days of the unions having a block labour vote is long gone!  But I think you are missing the point.  Cameron is aiming his fire at Brown&#039;s impotence and double dealing.  Boris is having a go at the power of the unions to disrupt the daily life of Londoners.  These are surely both vote winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in a democracy where people have a vote, not unions.  I think the days of the unions having a block labour vote is long gone!  But I think you are missing the point.  Cameron is aiming his fire at Brown&#8217;s impotence and double dealing.  Boris is having a go at the power of the unions to disrupt the daily life of Londoners.  These are surely both vote winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Antisthenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antisthenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Trade union strikes should never be illegal.&quot;

I would agreed with this in days of old in the same way I agree that some armed rebellions are legitimate (you could make a case if Labour win the next election insurrection in Britain would be legitimate to obviate the repression and suffering of the majority by a minority). 

However, today with our more sophisticated institutions and acceptance of equality, fairness and justice a more equitable means of resolving industrial disputes could be devised without the disruptive and harmful effects of strikes. In ACAS there is the acorn of an institution that could be better molded to fulfill that ambition. To achieve this unfortunately would need legislation to make strikes illegal but provide for a process that make them unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Trade union strikes should never be illegal.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would agreed with this in days of old in the same way I agree that some armed rebellions are legitimate (you could make a case if Labour win the next election insurrection in Britain would be legitimate to obviate the repression and suffering of the majority by a minority). </p>
<p>However, today with our more sophisticated institutions and acceptance of equality, fairness and justice a more equitable means of resolving industrial disputes could be devised without the disruptive and harmful effects of strikes. In ACAS there is the acorn of an institution that could be better molded to fulfill that ambition. To achieve this unfortunately would need legislation to make strikes illegal but provide for a process that make them unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KK, not sure I get your point.  I&#039;m not talking about industry regulation here, I&#039;m talking about public sector workers - the two are totally separate issues.  I don&#039;t want the market &#039;rigged&#039;, I simply want it to reflect the nature and purpose of public services - which is, let us not forget, to serve the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KK, not sure I get your point.  I&#8217;m not talking about industry regulation here, I&#8217;m talking about public sector workers &#8211; the two are totally separate issues.  I don&#8217;t want the market &#8216;rigged&#8217;, I simply want it to reflect the nature and purpose of public services &#8211; which is, let us not forget, to serve the public.</p>
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