Comments on: I feel sorry for Harriet Harman http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/ Daily views on British politics and the Conservative Party from a centre-right thinker who writes letters on his blog to politicians, journalists and many others. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:46:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Frugal Dougal http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14860 Frugal Dougal Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:10:55 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14860 I understand what you're saying, but instinctively I side with Boudicca in the first comment.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14860','Frugal Dougal'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14860','Frugal Dougal','I understand what you\'re saying, but instinctively I side with Boudicca in the first comment.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> I understand what you’re saying, but instinctively I side with Boudicca in the first comment.
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]]> By: judith http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14850 judith Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:48:16 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14850 Why should Ms Harman have to prove her innocence? I loathe the woman, but the prosecution should have to prove their case.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14850','judith'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14850','judith','Why should Ms Harman have to prove her innocence? I loathe the woman, but the prosecution should have to prove their case.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Why should Ms Harman have to prove her innocence? I loathe the woman, but the prosecution should have to prove their case.
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]]> By: Glyn H http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14839 Glyn H Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:08:54 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14839 Good Post! But is she not conspiring to get Mr Harman, aka Mr Dromey, (you know the heavy trade unionist and Labour party treasurer who just happened not to know the extent of their debt and the source of their funds - just like Mr Brown and the Robinson funded private office he never knew about but propmtly brough the thieving sod into government)into a 'safe' Labour seat after that nice east end chap got caught with his fingers in the til?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14839','Glyn H'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14839','Glyn H','Good Post! But is she not conspiring to get Mr Harman, aka Mr Dromey, (you know the heavy trade unionist and Labour party treasurer who just happened not to know the extent of their debt and the source of their funds - just like Mr Brown and the Robinson funded private office he never knew about but propmtly brough the thieving sod into government)into a \'safe\' Labour seat after that nice east end chap got caught with his fingers in the til?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Good Post! But is she not conspiring to get Mr Harman, aka Mr Dromey, (you know the heavy trade unionist and Labour party treasurer who just happened not to know the extent of their debt and the source of their funds – just like Mr Brown and the Robinson funded private office he never knew about but propmtly brough the thieving sod into government)into a ’safe’ Labour seat after that nice east end chap got caught with his fingers in the til?
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]]> By: Shaun Pilkington http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14828 Shaun Pilkington Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:08:10 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14828 Spot on, Tony (at #14) I'm not sorry for her. She should clearly also be prosecuted under the Road Traffic Act for not stopping at the scene of an accident to leave her details, if only to resolve in English law if 'you know who I am and where to find me' meets that requirement. I rather suspect that it does not. So as with but for a token 6 of our fraudulent MPs, she's not getting charged for an offence based, presumably on her rank which makes 'don't you know who I am' a perfect defence to traffic crimes...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14828','Shaun Pilkington'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14828','Shaun Pilkington','Spot on, Tony (at #14)\r\n\r\nI\'m not sorry for her. She should clearly also be prosecuted under the Road Traffic Act for not stopping at the scene of an accident to leave her details, if only to resolve in English law if \'you know who I am and where to find me\' meets that requirement. \r\n\r\nI rather suspect that it does not. So as with but for a token 6 of our fraudulent MPs, she\'s not getting charged for an offence based, presumably on her rank which makes \'don\'t you know who I am\' a perfect defence to traffic crimes...'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Spot on, Tony (at #14)

I’m not sorry for her. She should clearly also be prosecuted under the Road Traffic Act for not stopping at the scene of an accident to leave her details, if only to resolve in English law if ‘you know who I am and where to find me’ meets that requirement.

I rather suspect that it does not. So as with but for a token 6 of our fraudulent MPs, she’s not getting charged for an offence based, presumably on her rank which makes ‘don’t you know who I am’ a perfect defence to traffic crimes…

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]]> By: Tony E http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14824 Tony E Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:37:54 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14824 Isn't it strange that the most serious offence of 'leaving the scene of an accident' has already been discounted. Using a mobile phone behind the wheel is an offence of strict liability. She cannot be found innocent under any circimstances unless she can prove that she did not use the phone. They would not even bother to charge her on this unless the examination of the phone had provided enough evidence. Why then, after causing an accident has she not been charged with 'dangerous driving'. Had she just been spotted driving erratically while using the hand held phone, she could have been charged with 'Driving without due care & attention', how is hitting a parked car not 'dangerous driving'? It would have been if you or I did it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14824','Tony E'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14824','Tony E','Isn\'t it strange that the most serious offence of \'leaving the scene of an accident\' has already been discounted.\r\n\r\nUsing a mobile phone behind the wheel is an offence of strict liability. She cannot be found innocent under any circimstances unless she can prove that she did not use the phone. They would not even bother to charge her on this unless the examination of the phone had provided enough evidence.\r\n\r\nWhy then, after causing an accident has she not been charged with \'dangerous driving\'. Had she just been spotted driving erratically while using the hand held phone, she could have been charged with \'Driving without due care & attention\', how is hitting a parked car not \'dangerous driving\'?\r\n\r\nIt would have been if you or I did it.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Isn’t it strange that the most serious offence of ‘leaving the scene of an accident’ has already been discounted.

Using a mobile phone behind the wheel is an offence of strict liability. She cannot be found innocent under any circimstances unless she can prove that she did not use the phone. They would not even bother to charge her on this unless the examination of the phone had provided enough evidence.

Why then, after causing an accident has she not been charged with ‘dangerous driving’. Had she just been spotted driving erratically while using the hand held phone, she could have been charged with ‘Driving without due care & attention’, how is hitting a parked car not ‘dangerous driving’?

It would have been if you or I did it.

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]]> By: Dave H. http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14820 Dave H. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:40:19 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14820 The offence itself is relatively minor, the serious matter is that either she or the witnesses are lying about the facts. If it's her (and I know where I'd place my bet), the unhesitating and instinctive way in which she resorted to brazen lying when challenged by events is truly breathtaking. But these days dishonesty is standard procedure. Hardly surprising in a culture where truthfulness merits greater punishment.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14820','Dave H.'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14820','Dave H.','The offence itself is relatively minor, the serious matter is that either she or the witnesses are lying about the facts. If it\'s her (and I know where I\'d place my bet), the unhesitating and instinctive way in which she resorted to brazen lying when challenged by events is truly breathtaking. \r\n\r\nBut these days dishonesty is standard procedure. Hardly surprising in a culture where truthfulness merits greater punishment.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> The offence itself is relatively minor, the serious matter is that either she or the witnesses are lying about the facts. If it’s her (and I know where I’d place my bet), the unhesitating and instinctive way in which she resorted to brazen lying when challenged by events is truly breathtaking.

But these days dishonesty is standard procedure. Hardly surprising in a culture where truthfulness merits greater punishment.

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]]> By: Bill Quango MP http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14819 Bill Quango MP Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:37:49 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14819 She has achieved at least one of equality goals. She has managed to make herself hated in equal measure to Brown.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14819','Bill Quango MP'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14819','Bill Quango MP','She has achieved at least one of equality goals.\r\nShe has managed to make herself hated in equal measure to Brown.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> She has achieved at least one of equality goals.
She has managed to make herself hated in equal measure to Brown.
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]]> By: LFAT http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14818 LFAT Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:33:31 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14818 Harman's actions are the lesser of goodness knows how many Labour evils, which is why I feel a rather odd (and arguably misplaced) sense of sympathy. She deserves to be torn to shreds for breaking the law, but she must be gutted at how much her colleagues have got away with before her little altercation.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14818','LFAT'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14818','LFAT','Harman\'s actions are the lesser of goodness knows how many Labour evils, which is why I feel a rather odd (and arguably misplaced) sense of sympathy. She deserves to be torn to shreds for breaking the law, but she must be gutted at how much her colleagues have got away with before her little altercation.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Harman’s actions are the lesser of goodness knows how many Labour evils, which is why I feel a rather odd (and arguably misplaced) sense of sympathy. She deserves to be torn to shreds for breaking the law, but she must be gutted at how much her colleagues have got away with before her little altercation.
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]]> By: FLS http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14817 FLS Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:45:00 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14817 Sorry LFAT, No sympathy at all. I cheered when I heard this as I thought that finally the law was being applied to everyone in this country. Then I read your blog and was reminded of the very opposite.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14817','FLS'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14817','FLS','Sorry LFAT,\r\n\r\nNo sympathy at all. I cheered when I heard this as I thought that finally the law was being applied to everyone in this country.\r\n\r\nThen I read your blog and was reminded of the very opposite.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Sorry LFAT,

No sympathy at all. I cheered when I heard this as I thought that finally the law was being applied to everyone in this country.

Then I read your blog and was reminded of the very opposite.

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]]> By: LFAT http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/20/i-feel-sorry-for-harriet-harman/#comment-14815 LFAT Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:45:34 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=5062#comment-14815 Looks like that sympathy doesn't extend far beyond the reaches of this blog!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14815','LFAT'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14815','LFAT','Looks like that sympathy doesn\'t extend far beyond the reaches of this blog!'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Looks like that sympathy doesn’t extend far beyond the reaches of this blog!
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