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		<title>By: BTS</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/12/where-is-harriet-harmans-equality-agenda-now/#comment-14605</link>
		<dc:creator>BTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-14602&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Toto&lt;/a&gt; - &quot;Just why do you think it is appropriate that the vast majority of the elderly poor are female?&quot;

That could be because women live longer than men on average..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-14602' rel="nofollow">@Toto</a> &#8211; &#8220;Just why do you think it is appropriate that the vast majority of the elderly poor are female?&#8221;</p>
<p>That could be because women live longer than men on average..</p>
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		<title>By: Toto</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/11/12/where-is-harriet-harmans-equality-agenda-now/#comment-14602</link>
		<dc:creator>Toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, yes, the men of the UK are being appallingly oppressed by those 4000 women, deliberately and with malice. It is essential that all action on reducing women&#039;s disadvantages should cease immediately, and all women removed from the Cabinet and preferably from Parliament.

What a stupid and nasty post. Can&#039;t you celebrate anything nice happening to anyone, if they happen to be female? Your dislike of a powerful woman leads you to close your eyes to real suffering that she highlights. Just why do you think it is appropriate that the vast majority of the elderly poor are female, and why do you think it either moral or sensible to vilify someone for trying to prevent the same happening to our current workers? Harriet Harman is not asking charity handouts for working women, just the chance for them to be treated on an equal footing with the golden people born with a magic piece of flesh in their pants.

Many of us worried when stimulus spending was targeted at male-dominated workplaces. If, despite that, women&#039;s employment in the formal sector is holding up well (God help the many part-time workers in the informal sector, male or female) that sounds like cause for celebration. And on your ostensible point, there is no evidence that men actually need their gender-specific rights in the workplace to be championed, though they have gained from the improvements campaigned for by women and granted to all workers. Men still get most of the pay and most of the promotions -- and most of the protection of sunset industries, which may explain some of this employment difference. Would more earlier realism over those industries have served us better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, yes, the men of the UK are being appallingly oppressed by those 4000 women, deliberately and with malice. It is essential that all action on reducing women&#8217;s disadvantages should cease immediately, and all women removed from the Cabinet and preferably from Parliament.</p>
<p>What a stupid and nasty post. Can&#8217;t you celebrate anything nice happening to anyone, if they happen to be female? Your dislike of a powerful woman leads you to close your eyes to real suffering that she highlights. Just why do you think it is appropriate that the vast majority of the elderly poor are female, and why do you think it either moral or sensible to vilify someone for trying to prevent the same happening to our current workers? Harriet Harman is not asking charity handouts for working women, just the chance for them to be treated on an equal footing with the golden people born with a magic piece of flesh in their pants.</p>
<p>Many of us worried when stimulus spending was targeted at male-dominated workplaces. If, despite that, women&#8217;s employment in the formal sector is holding up well (God help the many part-time workers in the informal sector, male or female) that sounds like cause for celebration. And on your ostensible point, there is no evidence that men actually need their gender-specific rights in the workplace to be championed, though they have gained from the improvements campaigned for by women and granted to all workers. Men still get most of the pay and most of the promotions &#8212; and most of the protection of sunset industries, which may explain some of this employment difference. Would more earlier realism over those industries have served us better?</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Where is Harriet Harman’s equality agenda now? &#124; Letters From A Tory -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jane Fleming, David Chiverton. David Chiverton said: from LFAT http://bit.ly/BeCF3 &lt;--- Let&#039;s not hold our breath! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that Harriet is already trying her hardest to make women less employable with her crass logic and stupid legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Harriet is already trying her hardest to make women less employable with her crass logic and stupid legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Thornhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Thornhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LfaT

HH will get to work, raising the wages and cost of employing women so next month 38,000 more women than men will lose their jobs. 

Equality and Socialism in perfect Harmany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LfaT</p>
<p>HH will get to work, raising the wages and cost of employing women so next month 38,000 more women than men will lose their jobs. </p>
<p>Equality and Socialism in perfect Harmany.</p>
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		<title>By: James Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without wishing to support Harman to much, the fact that fewer women are losing their jobs than men does not nullify the arguments around pay and work equality. If you look at the figures, the reason why more men are losing their jobs in because full time jobs (more populated by men than women) are being destroyed whilst part-time jobs (more held by women) are being net created (c.f. http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2009/11/a-feminine-economy.html). This, rather than demonstrating anything positive about equality and closing pay gaps, makes clear the structural problems in pay and work equality. Women are far more likely to have part time jobs than men.

I know its a joke but we really don&#039;t need a men&#039;s movement like the women&#039;s movement. We are in the dominant position. Still. 

Yes they (Harman, Baird, Blears) got their analysis wrong of who would lose jobs more in this recession, but their logic wasn&#039;t mad. They&#039;ve gone quiet because what was thought to be a major problem isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without wishing to support Harman to much, the fact that fewer women are losing their jobs than men does not nullify the arguments around pay and work equality. If you look at the figures, the reason why more men are losing their jobs in because full time jobs (more populated by men than women) are being destroyed whilst part-time jobs (more held by women) are being net created (c.f. <a href="http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2009/11/a-feminine-economy.html)" rel="nofollow">http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2009/11/a-feminine-economy.html)</a>. This, rather than demonstrating anything positive about equality and closing pay gaps, makes clear the structural problems in pay and work equality. Women are far more likely to have part time jobs than men.</p>
<p>I know its a joke but we really don&#8217;t need a men&#8217;s movement like the women&#8217;s movement. We are in the dominant position. Still. </p>
<p>Yes they (Harman, Baird, Blears) got their analysis wrong of who would lose jobs more in this recession, but their logic wasn&#8217;t mad. They&#8217;ve gone quiet because what was thought to be a major problem isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-14551&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@ LFAT&lt;/a&gt;Shaun, you are clearly being too cynical - there is no way that Labour could execute a policy that actually worked that well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href='#comment-14551' rel="nofollow">@ LFAT</a>Shaun, you are clearly being too cynical &#8211; there is no way that Labour could execute a policy that actually worked that well.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even a broken clock is right twice a day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-14551&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@LFAT&lt;/a&gt; - To make up for the picture of Harpy earlier:

http://www.maxim.com/girls/44066/worlds-hottest-politicians.html#10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-14551' rel="nofollow">@LFAT</a> &#8211; To make up for the picture of Harpy earlier:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.maxim.com/girls/44066/worlds-hottest-politicians.html#10" rel="nofollow">http://www.maxim.com/girls/44066/worlds-hottest-politicians.html#10</a></p>
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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, you are clearly being too cynical - there is no way that Labour could execute a policy that actually worked that well.

BTS, interesting that in the DM article Harman drew attention to the fact that half of the Spanish cabinet are women - why did she not mention Silvio Berlusconi love of female politicians too?....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, you are clearly being too cynical &#8211; there is no way that Labour could execute a policy that actually worked that well.</p>
<p>BTS, interesting that in the DM article Harman drew attention to the fact that half of the Spanish cabinet are women &#8211; why did she not mention Silvio Berlusconi love of female politicians too?&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found her:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1227006/Clinton-Merkel-global-war-sexism-Harriet-Harman.html

Be warned - there is a photograph..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found her:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1227006/Clinton-Merkel-global-war-sexism-Harriet-Harman.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1227006/Clinton-Merkel-global-war-sexism-Harriet-Harman.html</a></p>
<p>Be warned &#8211; there is a photograph..</p>
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