Comments on: The tragic background of the Doncaster boys

By: JuliaM

JuliaM — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:48:19 +0000

“The story just doesn’t fit with reality. “

Sadly, it does fit very well with reality.

By: myzidem

myzidem — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:15:08 +0000

Has anyone seen any actual evidence that these boys exist, and that they did these things? It just doesn’t make sense, such as the motive. Their motive was supposedly to get locked up, but according to the description, they hardly seemed like the kind that would enjoy sitting in a cell for long periods of time. Why isn’t their brother, who supposedly told them that prison is great, facing terrorism-related charges? I think someone’s playing games with our heads by foisting a massive disinformation campaign upon us. I doubt that even a drunk would force his kids to watch horror movies, or that a pot-headed mother would give some of her precious weed that she could barely afford to her kids, especially when she could use something else to calm them down that wouldn’t impair their mental function. The story just doesn’t fit with reality.

By: Talwin

Talwin — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:25:06 +0000

Children who kill and injure other children, although rare, is nothing new. Remember Mary Bell who strangled 2 young boys just for fun in 1968? And, more recently, Venables and Thompson who killed Jamie Bulger in 1993.

But what to do? The crime’s rarity and, almost certainly, its idiosynchratic circumstances, mean there can be no one-size-fits-all solution. Often, much is made of the necessity for firmness and discipline in punishment, but the old ‘approved’ schools and borstals were tough and uncompromising in their dealings with kids sent there; but they didn’t stop offending.

And sterilising the often ghastly, feckless parent/s seems somewhat remote from the commission of the offence (and frighteningly close to a Nazi policy).

These horrible, out-of-control kids’ backgrounds cannot be the sole or even principal cause of these terrible events: otherwise the sheer size of the feral underclass in our flawed, politically correct, dogma-laden, socially-engineered, ‘broken Britain’ means we would be reading of such horror as this case every other day.

Do I know what to do? Christ, no. But a greater certainty of being caught (for whatever crime), a punishment to be feared (yes, feared!), and condemnation from peers and intimates – rather than approbation for some – might help a little to redress the balance.

By: uk Fred

uk Fred — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:35:26 +0000

The only aspect of this whole sorry case to surprise me is that Balls hasn’t blamed the people of Doncaster for having the temerity to elect a Mayor who doesn’t wear a Labour rosette.
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This is one of the tragic effects of a system which has failed these poor kids (the victims of the assault): a system in which it is possible to get enough to spend all day smoking dope or drinking while doing not-a-lot to get the money and both mother and her “partner” moving on to another “relationship” on a whim and not for the first time, apparently.

By: measured

measured — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:34:06 +0000

Have the foster parents been seen since?
Too much pussy footing goes on (but given today’s Quote of the Day, I am not sure this is an entirely appropriate observation to make).

By: Tony E

Tony E — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:14:09 +0000

@Charles – There’s only one solution, but none of us would ever really consider it seriously: pay higher levels of benefit to those who agree to undergo sterilisation once they have been nominated as ‘poor parenting material’.

It will allow them to live comfortably, even without the numerous ‘child support’ cheques which are often the reason for a child’s existence, but will end their harm to society at the end of their life, their inappropriate behaviours will not be continued via the next generation.

To fill the need for more children, working and middle class couples should be given tax breaks to have more children who are more likely to be productive workers throughout their life. This will solve the pensions problem, improve the education system, ease strains on the Health service, police and social services, and save the productive part of society billions of pounds.

Problem is, nobody will ever suggest this seriously because it removes a human right, the right to a family, and that is not what liberal societies do, even if it is best for society as a whole and those inside the scheme are participating willingly.

By: JuliaM

JuliaM — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:17:53 +0000

“Unfortunately for these kids the damage is done…”

How many more families are there out there like this, or potentially like this, if nothing is done?

I read the police blogs, and think: ‘We don’t know the half of it…’

By: JuliaM

JuliaM — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:14:49 +0000

“And it’s no wonder she can’t cope…”

Doubt it’s anything like a case of her being unable to cope.

It’s more a case of her being unwilling to cope, because, why bother? Nothing bad will happen to her if she lets the kids run riot and smokes cannabis all day in front of daytime tv. She won’t starve. She won’t be thrown on the streets.

By: Charles

Charles — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:14:03 +0000

IDS wrote a very good article in the Telegraph today on this. I’m not an expert by any means but what he said seems just common sense.

Unfortunately for these kids the damage is done: now it needs containment and to the extent possible intervention to prevent recidivism. Long term, though, we need to break the cycle: I’m willing to bet that the mother in question had a troubled childhood and grew up without any idea of what it means to be a responsible adult/good parent.

That said, it may be
easy to diagnose the problem, but how do you fix it?

By: Stuart

Stuart — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:35:42 +0000

Once again this happens, and decent people are not allowed to reprimand the errant children, their mother should be steralised, benefit should be paid to these type of people every three months, only after they have received an injection of depo-pravera, or some other contraceptive.
That would benefit the country, How can someone be allowed out in the comunity while being charged with such a violent offence?
Letting people like this have rights is pure stupidity, unless people behave in such a way that is responsible, they should be out of sight, this is all due to the state of equality, there is nothing wrong with trying to get people equqal, providing you do not go down to the level of the gutter,(labour favour the lowest common denominator)