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		<title>By: williamcobbett</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/19/more-conservative-anger-at-homophobic-slurs/#comment-11243</link>
		<dc:creator>williamcobbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, it may be that Mr. Kaminski is an heterosexual, married man, with children, Roman Catholic, and follows his conscience, governed as it is by the standards of Moral Law and Moral Order so ably expressed by the Catechism of the Catholic Church . 
Strange huh? A politician who once had deeply help beliefs. 
We used to have politicians in the United Kingdom who really believed something, for the fact they believed it to be correct, not for the gadfly behavior of the fickle electorate. Tony Benn and Enoch Powell come to mind. 

Those who surrender their liberty for security deserve none (to paraphrase someone).

It appears that he considers that *pretending* that the deviant acts of a minority should be equated with the Ordained requirement of God, that of marriage between a man and woman, further to procreate as commanded by God, as having some kind of moral equivalence, *is wrong*. 
That of course is a sin in our Frankfurt School inspired, communist dominated modern world. 
Until thirty years ago such &#039;opinion holding&#039; was the mark of a free liberal tolerant democracy.

Hmmmmm.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11243&#039;,&#039;williamcobbett&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11243&#039;,&#039;williamcobbett&#039;,&#039;Of course, it may be that Mr. Kaminski is an heterosexual, married man, with children, Roman Catholic, and follows his conscience, governed as it is by the standards of Moral Law and Moral Order so ably expressed by the Catechism of the Catholic Church . \r\nStrange huh? A politician who once had deeply help beliefs. \r\nWe used to have politicians in the United Kingdom who really believed something, for the fact they believed it to be correct, not for the gadfly behavior of the fickle electorate. Tony Benn and Enoch Powell come to mind. \r\n\r\nThose who surrender their liberty for security deserve none (to paraphrase someone).\r\n\r\nIt appears that he considers that *pretending* that the deviant acts of a minority should be equated with the Ordained requirement of God, that of marriage between a man and woman, further to procreate as commanded by God, as having some kind of moral equivalence, *is wrong*. \r\nThat of course is a sin in our Frankfurt School inspired, communist dominated modern world. \r\nUntil thirty years ago such \&#039;opinion holding\&#039; was the mark of a free liberal tolerant democracy.\r\n\r\nHmmmmm.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it may be that Mr. Kaminski is an heterosexual, married man, with children, Roman Catholic, and follows his conscience, governed as it is by the standards of Moral Law and Moral Order so ably expressed by the Catechism of the Catholic Church .<br />
Strange huh? A politician who once had deeply help beliefs.<br />
We used to have politicians in the United Kingdom who really believed something, for the fact they believed it to be correct, not for the gadfly behavior of the fickle electorate. Tony Benn and Enoch Powell come to mind. </p>
<p>Those who surrender their liberty for security deserve none (to paraphrase someone).</p>
<p>It appears that he considers that *pretending* that the deviant acts of a minority should be equated with the Ordained requirement of God, that of marriage between a man and woman, further to procreate as commanded by God, as having some kind of moral equivalence, *is wrong*.<br />
That of course is a sin in our Frankfurt School inspired, communist dominated modern world.<br />
Until thirty years ago such &#8216;opinion holding&#8217; was the mark of a free liberal tolerant democracy.</p>
<p>Hmmmmm.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11243','williamcobbett'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11243','williamcobbett','Of course, it may be that Mr. Kaminski is an heterosexual, married man, with children, Roman Catholic, and follows his conscience, governed as it is by the standards of Moral Law and Moral Order so ably expressed by the Catechism of the Catholic Church . \r\nStrange huh? A politician who once had deeply help beliefs. \r\nWe used to have politicians in the United Kingdom who really believed something, for the fact they believed it to be correct, not for the gadfly behavior of the fickle electorate. Tony Benn and Enoch Powell come to mind. \r\n\r\nThose who surrender their liberty for security deserve none (to paraphrase someone).\r\n\r\nIt appears that he considers that *pretending* that the deviant acts of a minority should be equated with the Ordained requirement of God, that of marriage between a man and woman, further to procreate as commanded by God, as having some kind of moral equivalence, *is wrong*. \r\nThat of course is a sin in our Frankfurt School inspired, communist dominated modern world. \r\nUntil thirty years ago such \'opinion holding\' was the mark of a free liberal tolerant democracy.\r\n\r\nHmmmmm.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please edit that link LFAT - alcohol plus shoddy GPRS mobile connection stopped me closing the link after &#039;Observer&#039;... Drinking and ranting - its not big and its not clever but its not as dumb as vandalising a bus stop!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11241&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11241&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;Please edit that link LFAT - alcohol plus shoddy GPRS mobile connection stopped me closing the link after \&#039;Observer\&#039;... Drinking and ranting - its not big and its not clever but its not as dumb as vandalising a bus stop!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please edit that link LFAT &#8211; alcohol plus shoddy GPRS mobile connection stopped me closing the link after &#8216;Observer&#8217;&#8230; Drinking and ranting &#8211; its not big and its not clever but its not as dumb as vandalising a bus stop!
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/19/more-conservative-anger-at-homophobic-slurs/#comment-11240</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jul/19/rabbi-tories-polish-mep&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Observer&lt;/a&gt; (link to article there) - it may be confected but either way, it shows the vulnerability of the Tories on this one.

I&#039;m on holiday (ish - as a web-dev with mobile broadband, what I mean is I&#039;m away from home and drinking with the wife from noon...) so can&#039;t really tell the difference between the Grauniad, Guardian on Sunday and the Observer. Frankly I&#039;m lucky if I don&#039;t leave the shop with the Torygraph and a copy of the Morning Star for the wife (&#039;sorry dear, they didn&#039;t have the times&#039;)...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11240&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11240&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;Sorry, I meant the &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/politics\/2009\/jul\/19\/rabbi-tories-polish-mep\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Observer&lt;\/a&gt; (link to article there) - it may be confected but either way, it shows the vulnerability of the Tories on this one.\r\n\r\nI\&#039;m on holiday (ish - as a web-dev with mobile broadband, what I mean is I\&#039;m away from home and drinking with the wife from noon...) so can\&#039;t really tell the difference between the Grauniad, Guardian on Sunday and the Observer. Frankly I\&#039;m lucky if I don\&#039;t leave the shop with the Torygraph and a copy of the Morning Star for the wife (\&#039;sorry dear, they didn\&#039;t have the times\&#039;)...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jul/19/rabbi-tories-polish-mep" rel="nofollow">Observer</a> (link to article there) &#8211; it may be confected but either way, it shows the vulnerability of the Tories on this one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on holiday (ish &#8211; as a web-dev with mobile broadband, what I mean is I&#8217;m away from home and drinking with the wife from noon&#8230;) so can&#8217;t really tell the difference between the Grauniad, Guardian on Sunday and the Observer. Frankly I&#8217;m lucky if I don&#8217;t leave the shop with the Torygraph and a copy of the Morning Star for the wife (&#8217;sorry dear, they didn&#8217;t have the times&#8217;)&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11240','Shaun Pilkington'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11240','Shaun Pilkington','Sorry, I meant the &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/politics\/2009\/jul\/19\/rabbi-tories-polish-mep\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Observer&lt;\/a&gt; (link to article there) - it may be confected but either way, it shows the vulnerability of the Tories on this one.\r\n\r\nI\'m on holiday (ish - as a web-dev with mobile broadband, what I mean is I\'m away from home and drinking with the wife from noon...) so can\'t really tell the difference between the Grauniad, Guardian on Sunday and the Observer. Frankly I\'m lucky if I don\'t leave the shop with the Torygraph and a copy of the Morning Star for the wife (\'sorry dear, they didn\'t have the times\')...'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/19/more-conservative-anger-at-homophobic-slurs/#comment-11239</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, I&#039;m quite sure that the EPP has *more* than its share of nutters, corrupted and demeaned further by their ardent adherence and addiction to the &lt;strike&gt;Queen&#039;s&lt;/strike&gt; EU shilling.

However, the price for eschewing that should not be the rights and status of 7% (ish) of our, Poland or the EU&#039;s population. Pandering to those who want that does not do our cause any favours. Why? Well, the pro-Euros will now be able to argue (based on fact) that those who want &#039;out&#039; or &#039;less&#039; of europe mostly want to do so to get back to persecuting gays and jews (see today&#039;s Grauniad), free from criticism or interference.

I mean, today, I have no doubt that anti-smoking zealots would happily lie down with the 1940s Nazi who, after all, banned Smoking on public transport. What are a few jews compared to the health and well being of European citizens, eh? That would certainly be the case I&#039;d make if I opposed them.

All I&#039;m saying is while I may (or may not) want to get out from under EU subservience, I&#039;m not willing to sacrifice 7% of people on that altar and I hope, I sincerely hope (and the Alan Duncan&#039;s of this world give me cause to believe) that Dave doesn&#039;t either.  Hague, IDS or Howard well... Another story, innit?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11239&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11239&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;Charles, I\&#039;m quite sure that the EPP has *more* than its share of nutters, corrupted and demeaned further by their ardent adherence and addiction to the &lt;strike&gt;Queen\&#039;s&lt;\/strike&gt; EU shilling.\n\nHowever, the price for eschewing that should not be the rights and status of 7% (ish) of our, Poland or the EU\&#039;s population. Pandering to those who want that does not do our cause any favours. Why? Well, the pro-Euros will now be able to argue (based on fact) that those who want \&#039;out\&#039; or \&#039;less\&#039; of europe mostly want to do so to get back to persecuting gays and jews (see today\&#039;s Grauniad), free from criticism or interference.\n\nI mean, today, I have no doubt that anti-smoking zealots would happily lie down with the 1940s Nazi who, after all, banned Smoking on public transport. What are a few jews compared to the health and well being of European citizens, eh? That would certainly be the case I\&#039;d make if I opposed them.\n\nAll I\&#039;m saying is while I may (or may not) want to get out from under EU subservience, I\&#039;m not willing to sacrifice 7% of people on that altar and I hope, I sincerely hope (and the Alan Duncan\&#039;s of this world give me cause to believe) that Dave doesn\&#039;t either.  Hague, IDS or Howard well... Another story, innit?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, I&#8217;m quite sure that the EPP has *more* than its share of nutters, corrupted and demeaned further by their ardent adherence and addiction to the <strike>Queen&#8217;s</strike> EU shilling.</p>
<p>However, the price for eschewing that should not be the rights and status of 7% (ish) of our, Poland or the EU&#8217;s population. Pandering to those who want that does not do our cause any favours. Why? Well, the pro-Euros will now be able to argue (based on fact) that those who want &#8216;out&#8217; or &#8216;less&#8217; of europe mostly want to do so to get back to persecuting gays and jews (see today&#8217;s Grauniad), free from criticism or interference.</p>
<p>I mean, today, I have no doubt that anti-smoking zealots would happily lie down with the 1940s Nazi who, after all, banned Smoking on public transport. What are a few jews compared to the health and well being of European citizens, eh? That would certainly be the case I&#8217;d make if I opposed them.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is while I may (or may not) want to get out from under EU subservience, I&#8217;m not willing to sacrifice 7% of people on that altar and I hope, I sincerely hope (and the Alan Duncan&#8217;s of this world give me cause to believe) that Dave doesn&#8217;t either.  Hague, IDS or Howard well&#8230; Another story, innit?
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		<title>By: patently</title>
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		<dc:creator>patently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite frankly, if that&#039;s the best slur they can come up with, I start to like Dave even more.

(Not in &quot;that&quot; way, you understand.  I&#039;m not some kind of faggot, see.)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11237&#039;,&#039;patently&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11237&#039;,&#039;patently&#039;,&#039;Quite frankly, if that\&#039;s the best slur they can come up with, I start to like Dave even more.\r\n\r\n(Not in \&quot;that\&quot; way, you understand.  I\&#039;m not some kind of faggot, see.)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite frankly, if that&#8217;s the best slur they can come up with, I start to like Dave even more.</p>
<p>(Not in &#8220;that&#8221; way, you understand.  I&#8217;m not some kind of faggot, see.)
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun

I am not sure he had a choice. Lay aside some of the fundamental policy principles of his party (anti-federalism) or accept some rather whiffy fellow travellers.

How come we don&#039;t hear anything about Madame Mussolini&#039;s rather fragrant past. After all, she is a fully signed up member of the EPP.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11236&#039;,&#039;Charles&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11236&#039;,&#039;Charles&#039;,&#039;Shaun\r\n\r\nI am not sure he had a choice. Lay aside some of the fundamental policy principles of his party (anti-federalism) or accept some rather whiffy fellow travellers.\r\n\r\nHow come we don\&#039;t hear anything about Madame Mussolini\&#039;s rather fragrant past. After all, she is a fully signed up member of the EPP.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun</p>
<p>I am not sure he had a choice. Lay aside some of the fundamental policy principles of his party (anti-federalism) or accept some rather whiffy fellow travellers.</p>
<p>How come we don&#8217;t hear anything about Madame Mussolini&#8217;s rather fragrant past. After all, she is a fully signed up member of the EPP.
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its unfortunate that the Conservatives have had to gang up with cranky religious fascists (who, if I recall, argued that because Germany had killed loads of Poles in the 20th C - ignoring that the Russians, in fact, killed more - Poland should have more votes in Europe to reflect what its population *could* have been). An invidious choice, I guess - the Europhile EPP or the retarded totalitarian Catholics and fellow travellers.  

Still, the only thing to say is if you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.  This one will come back to haunt Dave.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11235&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11235&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;I think its unfortunate that the Conservatives have had to gang up with cranky religious fascists (who, if I recall, argued that because Germany had killed loads of Poles in the 20th C - ignoring that the Russians, in fact, killed more - Poland should have more votes in Europe to reflect what its population *could* have been). An invidious choice, I guess - the Europhile EPP or the retarded totalitarian Catholics and fellow travellers.  \r\n\r\nStill, the only thing to say is if you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.  This one will come back to haunt Dave.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its unfortunate that the Conservatives have had to gang up with cranky religious fascists (who, if I recall, argued that because Germany had killed loads of Poles in the 20th C &#8211; ignoring that the Russians, in fact, killed more &#8211; Poland should have more votes in Europe to reflect what its population *could* have been). An invidious choice, I guess &#8211; the Europhile EPP or the retarded totalitarian Catholics and fellow travellers.  </p>
<p>Still, the only thing to say is if you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.  This one will come back to haunt Dave.
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Messy? Undoubtedly.  Important? Relevant? Worthy of political airtime? You decide.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

About the Polish v gay question, I can&#039;t really say. It just amuses me that the people who are usually the first in line to scream &#039;colonialism&#039; when we raise topics like FGM or sharia law in third-world countries are often the same ones that think we should be dictating to other EU countries over this and other liberal policies...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11234&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11234&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;,&#039;&lt;i&gt;\&quot;Messy? Undoubtedly.  Important? Relevant? Worthy of political airtime? You decide.\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt; \r\n\r\nAbout the Polish v gay question, I can\&#039;t really say. It just amuses me that the people who are usually the first in line to scream \&#039;colonialism\&#039; when we raise topics like FGM or sharia law in third-world countries are often the same ones that think we should be dictating to other EU countries over this and other liberal policies...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Messy? Undoubtedly.  Important? Relevant? Worthy of political airtime? You decide.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>About the Polish v gay question, I can&#8217;t really say. It just amuses me that the people who are usually the first in line to scream &#8216;colonialism&#8217; when we raise topics like FGM or sharia law in third-world countries are often the same ones that think we should be dictating to other EU countries over this and other liberal policies&#8230;
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Itâ€™s a bit like the BBC and the re-runs of Steptoe and Son and Alf Garnett.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>O/T: Interestingly, I was watching the tribute to Molly Sugden yesterday. They showed a clip of her as Mrs Slocombe, with one of her double-entendres about knowing when there was a storm because &#8216;My pussy&#8217;s hair stands up on end&#8230;&#8217; and they faded out there, before she finished the sentence. </p>
<p>Which could still <i>just</i> be heard as &#8216;&#8230;like a golliwogs!&#8217;</p>
<p>Come back, Carol Thatcher? <img src='http://www.lettersfromatory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: I Albion</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh God! what can you say?...........nothing, stop the world i want to get off.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11232&#039;,&#039;I Albion&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11232&#039;,&#039;I Albion&#039;,&#039;Oh God! what can you say?...........nothing, stop the world i want to get off.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh God! what can you say?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..nothing, stop the world i want to get off.
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