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		<title>By: Redemption Blues &#187; Britblog Roundup 231</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11259</link>
		<dc:creator>Redemption Blues &#187; Britblog Roundup 231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to a report by the Canadian Privacy Commission, Letters from a Tory explains why Facebook should be illegal: &#8220;I think most people have realised that you need to activate some privacy settings on [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11259&#039;,&#039;Redemption Blues &raquo; Britblog Roundup 231&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11259&#039;,&#039;Redemption Blues &raquo; Britblog Roundup 231&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; to a report by the Canadian Privacy Commission, Letters from a Tory explains why Facebook should be illegal: &#8220;I think most people have realised that you need to activate some privacy settings on &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11242</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathon - I agree with you on Streetview and Earth - the former is available to anyone with eyes and transport and the latter anyone wealthy enough to afford access to an aircraft, hot air balloon or RC plane with camera.  However, where it gets interesting is when streetview captures you outside a brothel or puking in the street. There&#039;s no context for these photos and yes, you could argue fairly strongly that you could simply have been ovbserved in Real Time by a passer by or alternatively, that viewers would/should be sophisticated enough to know that it was a transient moment of time and not a picture of behaviour.

However, while I&#039;m not a fan of the &#039;slippery slope&#039; argument, two things are indisputably true - technology advances and makes things that are expensive today cheap tomorrow and google will use these technologies to provide access to data it (rightly or wrongly) believes it should make available to everyone*.  So in six or twelve months time, when they do a new streetview with Infra Red cameras to create a heatmap by areas, will you have the right to complain that people can now see through your wall that you have an electric blanket? And if so, what if I just drove past your house with my own IR camera - that would be okay no? And if not, how does that differ from standard optical imagery? And what about in a decade or so when unmanned drones provide this information in real-time enabling proper surveillance?

If this sounds far fetched, be aware how cheap thermal imaging has become and that even Night Vision goggles are now cheap enough to form part of a £120 premium console video game pack where games retail alone for £55 in that context (curse our floppy pound!).

*Where it gets interesting is that Google do, of course, make exceptions. If you are a nation state like the USA, Israel or, when our clowns get around to it, the UK (remember the recent GCHQ &amp; SAS imagery kerfuffle) and ask them, they&#039;ll kindly obscure facilities like Dimona. Equally if you are a repressive regime with 1.2bn people, they&#039;ll block access to whatever the hell you like and call you sir (China) and to hell with their slogan &#039;don&#039;t be evil&#039;.  Its only if you are a powerless, wealthless peon that they&#039;ll publish your data.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11242&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11242&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;Jonathon - I agree with you on Streetview and Earth - the former is available to anyone with eyes and transport and the latter anyone wealthy enough to afford access to an aircraft, hot air balloon or RC plane with camera.  However, where it gets interesting is when streetview captures you outside a brothel or puking in the street. There\&#039;s no context for these photos and yes, you could argue fairly strongly that you could simply have been ovbserved in Real Time by a passer by or alternatively, that viewers would\/should be sophisticated enough to know that it was a transient moment of time and not a picture of behaviour.\n\nHowever, while I\&#039;m not a fan of the \&#039;slippery slope\&#039; argument, two things are indisputably true - technology advances and makes things that are expensive today cheap tomorrow and google will use these technologies to provide access to data it (rightly or wrongly) believes it should make available to everyone*.  So in six or twelve months time, when they do a new streetview with Infra Red cameras to create a heatmap by areas, will you have the right to complain that people can now see through your wall that you have an electric blanket? And if so, what if I just drove past your house with my own IR camera - that would be okay no? And if not, how does that differ from standard optical imagery? And what about in a decade or so when unmanned drones provide this information in real-time enabling proper surveillance?\n\nIf this sounds far fetched, be aware how cheap thermal imaging has become and that even Night Vision goggles are now cheap enough to form part of a &#194;&#163;120 premium console video game pack where games retail alone for &#194;&#163;55 in that context (curse our floppy pound!).\n\n*Where it gets interesting is that Google do, of course, make exceptions. If you are a nation state like the USA, Israel or, when our clowns get around to it, the UK (remember the recent GCHQ &amp; SAS imagery kerfuffle) and ask them, they\&#039;ll kindly obscure facilities like Dimona. Equally if you are a repressive regime with 1.2bn people, they\&#039;ll block access to whatever the hell you like and call you sir (China) and to hell with their slogan \&#039;don\&#039;t be evil\&#039;.  Its only if you are a powerless, wealthless peon that they\&#039;ll publish your data.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathon &#8211; I agree with you on Streetview and Earth &#8211; the former is available to anyone with eyes and transport and the latter anyone wealthy enough to afford access to an aircraft, hot air balloon or RC plane with camera.  However, where it gets interesting is when streetview captures you outside a brothel or puking in the street. There&#8217;s no context for these photos and yes, you could argue fairly strongly that you could simply have been ovbserved in Real Time by a passer by or alternatively, that viewers would/should be sophisticated enough to know that it was a transient moment of time and not a picture of behaviour.</p>
<p>However, while I&#8217;m not a fan of the &#8217;slippery slope&#8217; argument, two things are indisputably true &#8211; technology advances and makes things that are expensive today cheap tomorrow and google will use these technologies to provide access to data it (rightly or wrongly) believes it should make available to everyone*.  So in six or twelve months time, when they do a new streetview with Infra Red cameras to create a heatmap by areas, will you have the right to complain that people can now see through your wall that you have an electric blanket? And if so, what if I just drove past your house with my own IR camera &#8211; that would be okay no? And if not, how does that differ from standard optical imagery? And what about in a decade or so when unmanned drones provide this information in real-time enabling proper surveillance?</p>
<p>If this sounds far fetched, be aware how cheap thermal imaging has become and that even Night Vision goggles are now cheap enough to form part of a £120 premium console video game pack where games retail alone for £55 in that context (curse our floppy pound!).</p>
<p>*Where it gets interesting is that Google do, of course, make exceptions. If you are a nation state like the USA, Israel or, when our clowns get around to it, the UK (remember the recent GCHQ &amp; SAS imagery kerfuffle) and ask them, they&#8217;ll kindly obscure facilities like Dimona. Equally if you are a repressive regime with 1.2bn people, they&#8217;ll block access to whatever the hell you like and call you sir (China) and to hell with their slogan &#8216;don&#8217;t be evil&#8217;.  Its only if you are a powerless, wealthless peon that they&#8217;ll publish your data.
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		<title>By: Jonathon</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11238</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A picture of your house is &#039;by definition publishing personal information&#039;? That&#039;s your definition perhaps, but nobody else&#039;s. Anyone can look at my house on Streetview, but it doesn&#039;t tell them who lives there, or any information about us. The same as walking past my house and looking at it. Of course, if you know my name and address you could arguably connect that with the photo - but that&#039;s because you already found my name and address from another source - not from Streetview. And Streetview allows you to see which are big houses, or what cars are in the drive? NEWSFLASH - burglars already know that houses in Chelsea are owned by rich people, who all drive Mercedes 4x4s. They also know that it&#039;s easier to steal from houses in Peckham. They don&#039;t care how &#039;big&#039; a house looks on Streetview.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11238&#039;,&#039;Jonathon&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11238&#039;,&#039;Jonathon&#039;,&#039;A picture of your house is \&#039;by definition publishing personal information\&#039;? That\&#039;s your definition perhaps, but nobody else\&#039;s. Anyone can look at my house on Streetview, but it doesn\&#039;t tell them who lives there, or any information about us. The same as walking past my house and looking at it. Of course, if you know my name and address you could arguably connect that with the photo - but that\&#039;s because you already found my name and address from another source - not from Streetview. And Streetview allows you to see which are big houses, or what cars are in the drive? NEWSFLASH - burglars already know that houses in Chelsea are owned by rich people, who all drive Mercedes 4x4s. They also know that it\&#039;s easier to steal from houses in Peckham. They don\&#039;t care how \&#039;big\&#039; a house looks on Streetview.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A picture of your house is &#8216;by definition publishing personal information&#8217;? That&#8217;s your definition perhaps, but nobody else&#8217;s. Anyone can look at my house on Streetview, but it doesn&#8217;t tell them who lives there, or any information about us. The same as walking past my house and looking at it. Of course, if you know my name and address you could arguably connect that with the photo &#8211; but that&#8217;s because you already found my name and address from another source &#8211; not from Streetview. And Streetview allows you to see which are big houses, or what cars are in the drive? NEWSFLASH &#8211; burglars already know that houses in Chelsea are owned by rich people, who all drive Mercedes 4&#215;4s. They also know that it&#8217;s easier to steal from houses in Peckham. They don&#8217;t care how &#8216;big&#8217; a house looks on Streetview.
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11225</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link to DARPA/Facebook was the result of three or four people feeding me data and I just collated it. If people knew the half of this, they&#039;d never join.  Once you&#039;re in though, it&#039;s like the mafia - there&#039;s no leaving.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11225&#039;,&#039;jameshigham&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11225&#039;,&#039;jameshigham&#039;,&#039;That link to DARPA\/Facebook was the result of three or four people feeding me data and I just collated it. If people knew the half of this, they\&#039;d never join.  Once you\&#039;re in though, it\&#039;s like the mafia - there\&#039;s no leaving.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link to DARPA/Facebook was the result of three or four people feeding me data and I just collated it. If people knew the half of this, they&#8217;d never join.  Once you&#8217;re in though, it&#8217;s like the mafia &#8211; there&#8217;s no leaving.
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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11220</link>
		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun and James, why didn&#039;t you tell me about this sooner?!  I didn&#039;t realise how bad this was until I started doing some digging around.

MancU, Google Earth allows people to see details about your private property, which may not bother you but is still a breach of privacy.  Google Street View is different, but it still displays your private property online - which is by definition publishing personal information.  I know it doesn&#039;t sound sinister, but it&#039;s still taking personal information (what car you drive, how big is your home) and putting on the internet for other people to access without your permission.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11220&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11220&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;,&#039;Shaun and James, why didn\&#039;t you tell me about this sooner?!  I didn\&#039;t realise how bad this was until I started doing some digging around.\r\n\r\nMancU, Google Earth allows people to see details about your private property, which may not bother you but is still a breach of privacy.  Google Street View is different, but it still displays your private property online - which is by definition publishing personal information.  I know it doesn\&#039;t sound sinister, but it\&#039;s still taking personal information (what car you drive, how big is your home) and putting on the internet for other people to access without your permission.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun and James, why didn&#8217;t you tell me about this sooner?!  I didn&#8217;t realise how bad this was until I started doing some digging around.</p>
<p>MancU, Google Earth allows people to see details about your private property, which may not bother you but is still a breach of privacy.  Google Street View is different, but it still displays your private property online &#8211; which is by definition publishing personal information.  I know it doesn&#8217;t sound sinister, but it&#8217;s still taking personal information (what car you drive, how big is your home) and putting on the internet for other people to access without your permission.
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
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		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you knew the number of posts I&#039;ve done on Facebook, going into their antecedents,their procedures and their secretiveness ...

It&#039;s great to come here and see such a post and you can be sure I&#039;ll be quoting from this.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11218&#039;,&#039;jameshigham&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11218&#039;,&#039;jameshigham&#039;,&#039;If you knew the number of posts I\&#039;ve done on Facebook, going into their antecedents,their procedures and their secretiveness ...\r\n\r\nIt\&#039;s great to come here and see such a post and you can be sure I\&#039;ll be quoting from this.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you knew the number of posts I&#8217;ve done on Facebook, going into their antecedents,their procedures and their secretiveness &#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great to come here and see such a post and you can be sure I&#8217;ll be quoting from this.
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		<title>By: MancUnionist</title>
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		<dc:creator>MancUnionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The facebook thing is slightly concerning, but I do not share your objections to Google Earth or Google Street View. All they basically do is allow people to see what they would see if they walked down a public street (as they have every right to do), and I personally find Street View useful when navigating an unfamiliar city. As for google earth, what is so objectionable about people seeing your roof?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11217&#039;,&#039;MancUnionist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11217&#039;,&#039;MancUnionist&#039;,&#039;The facebook thing is slightly concerning, but I do not share your objections to Google Earth or Google Street View. All they basically do is allow people to see what they would see if they walked down a public street (as they have every right to do), and I personally find Street View useful when navigating an unfamiliar city. As for google earth, what is so objectionable about people seeing your roof?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The facebook thing is slightly concerning, but I do not share your objections to Google Earth or Google Street View. All they basically do is allow people to see what they would see if they walked down a public street (as they have every right to do), and I personally find Street View useful when navigating an unfamiliar city. As for google earth, what is so objectionable about people seeing your roof?
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11216</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in 2000, Arthur C Clarke wrote a book where, due to the invention of another disruptive technology, privacy was effectively rendered impossible. Its called &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Light of Other Days&lt;/a&gt; and, as with all the best Science Fiction, uses its central premise to explore what would happen to society under those circumstances.

Facebook et al aren&#039;t there yet but as life moves to immitate art, even with current technology, its worth a read!

I bring this up as, elliptically, perhaps Dave doesn&#039;t think privacy as a concept has any legs left due to the flow of technological progress. His close relationship with Google heads may mean that he has been captured by their &#039;all your data belongs to us&#039; worldview.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11216&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11216&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;Back in 2000, Arthur C Clarke wrote a book where, due to the invention of another disruptive technology, privacy was effectively rendered impossible. Its called &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Light_of_Other_Days\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;The Light of Other Days&lt;\/a&gt; and, as with all the best Science Fiction, uses its central premise to explore what would happen to society under those circumstances.\r\n\r\nFacebook et al aren\&#039;t there yet but as life moves to immitate art, even with current technology, its worth a read!\r\n\r\nI bring this up as, elliptically, perhaps Dave doesn\&#039;t think privacy as a concept has any legs left due to the flow of technological progress. His close relationship with Google heads may mean that he has been captured by their \&#039;all your data belongs to us\&#039; worldview.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2000, Arthur C Clarke wrote a book where, due to the invention of another disruptive technology, privacy was effectively rendered impossible. Its called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days" rel="nofollow">The Light of Other Days</a> and, as with all the best Science Fiction, uses its central premise to explore what would happen to society under those circumstances.</p>
<p>Facebook et al aren&#8217;t there yet but as life moves to immitate art, even with current technology, its worth a read!</p>
<p>I bring this up as, elliptically, perhaps Dave doesn&#8217;t think privacy as a concept has any legs left due to the flow of technological progress. His close relationship with Google heads may mean that he has been captured by their &#8216;all your data belongs to us&#8217; worldview.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11216','Shaun Pilkington'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11216','Shaun Pilkington','Back in 2000, Arthur C Clarke wrote a book where, due to the invention of another disruptive technology, privacy was effectively rendered impossible. Its called &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Light_of_Other_Days\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;The Light of Other Days&lt;\/a&gt; and, as with all the best Science Fiction, uses its central premise to explore what would happen to society under those circumstances.\r\n\r\nFacebook et al aren\'t there yet but as life moves to immitate art, even with current technology, its worth a read!\r\n\r\nI bring this up as, elliptically, perhaps Dave doesn\'t think privacy as a concept has any legs left due to the flow of technological progress. His close relationship with Google heads may mean that he has been captured by their \'all your data belongs to us\' worldview.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11215</link>
		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intriguing theory.  No doubt transatlantic intelligence is handed around quite freely, hence why Miliband crapped himself when the US threatened to withdraw it recently if he didn&#039;t do what he was told.  The wealth of data being handed over is indeed phenomenal - what I would give for a government who gave a crap and stood up for civil liberties.  I&#039;ve never heard Cameron talk about personal privacy either.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11215&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11215&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;,&#039;Intriguing theory.  No doubt transatlantic intelligence is handed around quite freely, hence why Miliband crapped himself when the US threatened to withdraw it recently if he didn\&#039;t do what he was told.  The wealth of data being handed over is indeed phenomenal - what I would give for a government who gave a crap and stood up for civil liberties.  I\&#039;ve never heard Cameron talk about personal privacy either.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intriguing theory.  No doubt transatlantic intelligence is handed around quite freely, hence why Miliband crapped himself when the US threatened to withdraw it recently if he didn&#8217;t do what he was told.  The wealth of data being handed over is indeed phenomenal &#8211; what I would give for a government who gave a crap and stood up for civil liberties.  I&#8217;ve never heard Cameron talk about personal privacy either.
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/07/18/facebook-should-be-illegal/#comment-11214</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fairly sure that Facebook was founded with &lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/security/Facebook_s_CIA_ties&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;seed capital from the CIA&lt;/a&gt;. Which makes sense when you consider that the meta data on their servers shows &#039;networks&#039; of social groups. After all, what intelligence agency anywhere, ever, wouldn&#039;t want a map of who was friends with who everywhere? Even if its only 90% accurate, the basic utility of such rough intelligence can help guide more resource intensive operations on groups of interest. 

That the new head of MI6 fell foul of it made me laugh as an Aunt of mine did some secret work for a very quiet bit of the US Government with another 3-letter acronym and she wouldn&#039;t go anywhere near it. Whether this was from professionalism or pique at a rival agency pulling off such a coup is a question I don&#039;t really expect to ever get answered.

As for whether our Government is watching carefully, I&#039;d suggest that perhaps it is. If it is also in receipt of Facebook derived intelligence from the CIA under standard intel-sharing procedures then it would, of course, be arguable that the rest of their ham-fisted assaults on our privacy is a mere smokescreen to distract us from the wealth of data we are voluntarily giving the Intelligence community. It also means that extremist fascist groups and religious nuts who coalesce around and on Facebook are even more deeply retarded than you&#039;d first think.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;11214&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;11214&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;m fairly sure that Facebook was founded with &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/digg.com\/security\/Facebook_s_CIA_ties\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;seed capital from the CIA&lt;\/a&gt;. Which makes sense when you consider that the meta data on their servers shows \&#039;networks\&#039; of social groups. After all, what intelligence agency anywhere, ever, wouldn\&#039;t want a map of who was friends with who everywhere? Even if its only 90% accurate, the basic utility of such rough intelligence can help guide more resource intensive operations on groups of interest. \r\n\r\nThat the new head of MI6 fell foul of it made me laugh as an Aunt of mine did some secret work for a very quiet bit of the US Government with another 3-letter acronym and she wouldn\&#039;t go anywhere near it. Whether this was from professionalism or pique at a rival agency pulling off such a coup is a question I don\&#039;t really expect to ever get answered.\r\n\r\nAs for whether our Government is watching carefully, I\&#039;d suggest that perhaps it is. If it is also in receipt of Facebook derived intelligence from the CIA under standard intel-sharing procedures then it would, of course, be arguable that the rest of their ham-fisted assaults on our privacy is a mere smokescreen to distract us from the wealth of data we are voluntarily giving the Intelligence community. It also means that extremist fascist groups and religious nuts who coalesce around and on Facebook are even more deeply retarded than you\&#039;d first think.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure that Facebook was founded with <a href="http://digg.com/security/Facebook_s_CIA_ties" rel="nofollow">seed capital from the CIA</a>. Which makes sense when you consider that the meta data on their servers shows &#8216;networks&#8217; of social groups. After all, what intelligence agency anywhere, ever, wouldn&#8217;t want a map of who was friends with who everywhere? Even if its only 90% accurate, the basic utility of such rough intelligence can help guide more resource intensive operations on groups of interest. </p>
<p>That the new head of MI6 fell foul of it made me laugh as an Aunt of mine did some secret work for a very quiet bit of the US Government with another 3-letter acronym and she wouldn&#8217;t go anywhere near it. Whether this was from professionalism or pique at a rival agency pulling off such a coup is a question I don&#8217;t really expect to ever get answered.</p>
<p>As for whether our Government is watching carefully, I&#8217;d suggest that perhaps it is. If it is also in receipt of Facebook derived intelligence from the CIA under standard intel-sharing procedures then it would, of course, be arguable that the rest of their ham-fisted assaults on our privacy is a mere smokescreen to distract us from the wealth of data we are voluntarily giving the Intelligence community. It also means that extremist fascist groups and religious nuts who coalesce around and on Facebook are even more deeply retarded than you&#8217;d first think.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11214','Shaun Pilkington'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11214','Shaun Pilkington','I\'m fairly sure that Facebook was founded with &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/digg.com\/security\/Facebook_s_CIA_ties\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;seed capital from the CIA&lt;\/a&gt;. Which makes sense when you consider that the meta data on their servers shows \'networks\' of social groups. After all, what intelligence agency anywhere, ever, wouldn\'t want a map of who was friends with who everywhere? Even if its only 90% accurate, the basic utility of such rough intelligence can help guide more resource intensive operations on groups of interest. \r\n\r\nThat the new head of MI6 fell foul of it made me laugh as an Aunt of mine did some secret work for a very quiet bit of the US Government with another 3-letter acronym and she wouldn\'t go anywhere near it. Whether this was from professionalism or pique at a rival agency pulling off such a coup is a question I don\'t really expect to ever get answered.\r\n\r\nAs for whether our Government is watching carefully, I\'d suggest that perhaps it is. If it is also in receipt of Facebook derived intelligence from the CIA under standard intel-sharing procedures then it would, of course, be arguable that the rest of their ham-fisted assaults on our privacy is a mere smokescreen to distract us from the wealth of data we are voluntarily giving the Intelligence community. It also means that extremist fascist groups and religious nuts who coalesce around and on Facebook are even more deeply retarded than you\'d first think.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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