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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/06/14/geert-wilders-serves-up-another-political-storm/#comment-10090</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talwin said ...

&quot;Undoubtedly true, Shaun, and much bravery was shown by the Dutch when their country was raped in Hitler’s Blitzkrieg. But it must also be borne in mind that there may well also be around now – perhaps some of those voting for Wilders – who are the children of the then pro-nazi Dutch National Socialist Movement (the N.S.B).

And the children of the 50,000 Dutchmen who voluntarily served with the Germans in such as the 2nd SS Brigade (comprising Dutch, Flemish and Latvians); the 4th SS Panzer-Grenadier Division ‘Nederland’, later incorporated into the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer-Grenadier Division (German Waffen SS); 6th SS ‘Nordwest’/ SS Regiment ‘Westland’, attached to 5 SS Viking Division; 34th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division ‘Landstorm Nederland’.&quot;

Undoubtedly true that many of these will have voted for other parties too. It&#039;s also undoubtedly true that there will be children of Nazi sympathisers from across the world - Romania, Hungary, Egypt, Iraq, India (how many people are aware that there was an Indian regiment - the Indische Legion - who fought for the Nazis on the western front?) who now live in Britain and vote Labour, Tory and Lib Dem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talwin said &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Undoubtedly true, Shaun, and much bravery was shown by the Dutch when their country was raped in Hitler’s Blitzkrieg. But it must also be borne in mind that there may well also be around now – perhaps some of those voting for Wilders – who are the children of the then pro-nazi Dutch National Socialist Movement (the N.S.B).</p>
<p>And the children of the 50,000 Dutchmen who voluntarily served with the Germans in such as the 2nd SS Brigade (comprising Dutch, Flemish and Latvians); the 4th SS Panzer-Grenadier Division ‘Nederland’, later incorporated into the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer-Grenadier Division (German Waffen SS); 6th SS ‘Nordwest’/ SS Regiment ‘Westland’, attached to 5 SS Viking Division; 34th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division ‘Landstorm Nederland’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Undoubtedly true that many of these will have voted for other parties too. It&#8217;s also undoubtedly true that there will be children of Nazi sympathisers from across the world &#8211; Romania, Hungary, Egypt, Iraq, India (how many people are aware that there was an Indian regiment &#8211; the Indische Legion &#8211; who fought for the Nazis on the western front?) who now live in Britain and vote Labour, Tory and Lib Dem.</p>
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		<title>By: Talwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun @ 7.50pm, defending Dutch liberal values says &quot;And among those people, by the way, are the children of people who proudly participated in the Dutch resistance against the Nazis&quot;.

Undoubtedly true, Shaun, and much bravery was shown by the Dutch when their country was raped in Hitler&#039;s Blitzkrieg. But it must also be borne in mind that there may well also be around now - perhaps some of those voting for Wilders - who are the children of the then pro-nazi Dutch National Socialist Movement (the N.S.B).

And the children of the 50,000 Dutchmen who voluntarily served with the Germans in such as the 2nd SS Brigade (comprising Dutch, Flemish and Latvians); the 4th SS Panzer-Grenadier Division &#039;Nederland&#039;, later incorporated into the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer-Grenadier Division (German Waffen SS); 6th SS &#039;Nordwest&#039;/ SS Regiment &#039;Westland&#039;, attached to 5 SS Viking Division; 34th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division &#039;Landstorm Nederland&#039;. 

Oh, and there may be also the children of those who ratted to the Gestapo the secret location of the Frank family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun @ 7.50pm, defending Dutch liberal values says &#8220;And among those people, by the way, are the children of people who proudly participated in the Dutch resistance against the Nazis&#8221;.</p>
<p>Undoubtedly true, Shaun, and much bravery was shown by the Dutch when their country was raped in Hitler&#8217;s Blitzkrieg. But it must also be borne in mind that there may well also be around now &#8211; perhaps some of those voting for Wilders &#8211; who are the children of the then pro-nazi Dutch National Socialist Movement (the N.S.B).</p>
<p>And the children of the 50,000 Dutchmen who voluntarily served with the Germans in such as the 2nd SS Brigade (comprising Dutch, Flemish and Latvians); the 4th SS Panzer-Grenadier Division &#8216;Nederland&#8217;, later incorporated into the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer-Grenadier Division (German Waffen SS); 6th SS &#8216;Nordwest&#8217;/ SS Regiment &#8216;Westland&#8217;, attached to 5 SS Viking Division; 34th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division &#8216;Landstorm Nederland&#8217;. </p>
<p>Oh, and there may be also the children of those who ratted to the Gestapo the secret location of the Frank family.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Sue, I happen to agree with him on a considerable spread of issues. Unlike Sue, I&#039;m not sorry. I can not understand why Wilders is demonised and banned from the UK while Mandela - a man who has a known terrorist past and sings songs about killing whites is lionised and given the virtual freedom of our country. If some people get their way, we&#039;ll even have a statue of him in Trafalgar Square!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Sue, I happen to agree with him on a considerable spread of issues. Unlike Sue, I&#8217;m not sorry. I can not understand why Wilders is demonised and banned from the UK while Mandela &#8211; a man who has a known terrorist past and sings songs about killing whites is lionised and given the virtual freedom of our country. If some people get their way, we&#8217;ll even have a statue of him in Trafalgar Square!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/06/14/geert-wilders-serves-up-another-political-storm/#comment-10079</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of people would vote for a similar figure here.  Me probably included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of people would vote for a similar figure here.  Me probably included.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory Poppins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tory Poppins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes he could - and I agree with him.  He is not racist - as he sets out quite clearly.  He clearly states what he stands for - and as many of the commentators above say, he&#039;s only saying what the vast number of people are thinking - but daren&#039;t say in public.  (This, I might add, is entirely different to the hate-preaching BNP - and he shouldn&#039;t be &#039;lumped&#039; into the same catergory as them)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes he could &#8211; and I agree with him.  He is not racist &#8211; as he sets out quite clearly.  He clearly states what he stands for &#8211; and as many of the commentators above say, he&#8217;s only saying what the vast number of people are thinking &#8211; but daren&#8217;t say in public.  (This, I might add, is entirely different to the hate-preaching BNP &#8211; and he shouldn&#8217;t be &#8216;lumped&#8217; into the same catergory as them)</p>
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		<title>By: Boudicca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boudicca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilders stands a chance of becoming Dutch Prime Minster because of their Proportional Representation electoral system.  If we had a PR system here, UKIP would do well.  Farage wouldn&#039;t become Prime Minster but he&#039;d certainly poll a lot of votes. The UK is overwhelmingly Eurosceptic and the mainstream parties have ignored the electorate on that subject, just as much as they have on immigration.  Something for Gordon to think about whilst he considers gerry-mandering our electoral system to suit Labour ... sometimes these things have unintended consequences.

Anyway, I think Wilders is right.  Extreme Islam is incompatible with Democracy and is destroying community relations in the UK just as much as it is in Holland.  We should make it clear that Sharia has no place in a western society; that polygamy is not acceptable and will not be subsidised by the welfare system; the hijab is acceptable in adult married women - but not in girls; the face veil and head to toe black sack isn&#039;t acceptable in our society.  

Moderate Muslims are welcome here and should of course be able to practice their faith - but those that seek to impose Islamic cultural practices on the UK population aren&#039;t.  I hope Wilders wins; someone has got to start standing up for the native cultures in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilders stands a chance of becoming Dutch Prime Minster because of their Proportional Representation electoral system.  If we had a PR system here, UKIP would do well.  Farage wouldn&#8217;t become Prime Minster but he&#8217;d certainly poll a lot of votes. The UK is overwhelmingly Eurosceptic and the mainstream parties have ignored the electorate on that subject, just as much as they have on immigration.  Something for Gordon to think about whilst he considers gerry-mandering our electoral system to suit Labour &#8230; sometimes these things have unintended consequences.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think Wilders is right.  Extreme Islam is incompatible with Democracy and is destroying community relations in the UK just as much as it is in Holland.  We should make it clear that Sharia has no place in a western society; that polygamy is not acceptable and will not be subsidised by the welfare system; the hijab is acceptable in adult married women &#8211; but not in girls; the face veil and head to toe black sack isn&#8217;t acceptable in our society.  </p>
<p>Moderate Muslims are welcome here and should of course be able to practice their faith &#8211; but those that seek to impose Islamic cultural practices on the UK population aren&#8217;t.  I hope Wilders wins; someone has got to start standing up for the native cultures in Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Catosays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catosays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would or can someone tell me why it is such a crime to hold right wing views but perfectly OK to espouse socialist views?
Hitler may have been evil but then, so were Stalin and Chairman Mao, not forgetting Pol Pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would or can someone tell me why it is such a crime to hold right wing views but perfectly OK to espouse socialist views?<br />
Hitler may have been evil but then, so were Stalin and Chairman Mao, not forgetting Pol Pot.</p>
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		<title>By: dmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope he does become Prime minister,at last someone saying nwhat most of us think or are reviled for saying.What politician here is facing up to the threat of islamification of the UK.
They will never fit in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope he does become Prime minister,at last someone saying nwhat most of us think or are reviled for saying.What politician here is facing up to the threat of islamification of the UK.<br />
They will never fit in.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Dutch; the vast majority of Cannabis coffeeshop owners, Cannabis growers and people in the wider industry voted for Pym Fortuyn.  Not because &#039;he was a facist&#039; but because, like Wilders, he was robust in defending Dutch liberal values from anyone else, be they the French (who try to dictate their drug policy), the Germans (who do the same but are historically wary of &#039;dictating&#039; to the Dutch post 1945) or Muslims who want sharia law and no sex, drugs or other kinds of fun the Dutch enjoy.

And among those people, by the way, are the children of people who proudly participated in the Dutch resistance against the Nazis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Dutch; the vast majority of Cannabis coffeeshop owners, Cannabis growers and people in the wider industry voted for Pym Fortuyn.  Not because &#8216;he was a facist&#8217; but because, like Wilders, he was robust in defending Dutch liberal values from anyone else, be they the French (who try to dictate their drug policy), the Germans (who do the same but are historically wary of &#8216;dictating&#8217; to the Dutch post 1945) or Muslims who want sharia law and no sex, drugs or other kinds of fun the Dutch enjoy.</p>
<p>And among those people, by the way, are the children of people who proudly participated in the Dutch resistance against the Nazis.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I happen to agree with him. I think the spread of Islam and it&#039;s doctrines are a real threat to western civilisation. 

Sharia Law is not only barbaric but advocates treating women on the same level as dogs. If it were up to me, the hijab and Islam would be banned in the Western World. There are plenty of places  that a devout muslim can practise his faith without expecting christian countries to accommodate them.


I am pro immigration, but to me (living in Spain), that means you make an effort to integrate. You learn the language, respect their customs, traditions and don&#039;t impose your ideals on them. 

Do you know that the UN has now made it illegal to insult Islam? That&#039;s just so ridiculous, a muslims idea of insulting islam encompasses criticising it... and that has taken away freedom of speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I happen to agree with him. I think the spread of Islam and it&#8217;s doctrines are a real threat to western civilisation. </p>
<p>Sharia Law is not only barbaric but advocates treating women on the same level as dogs. If it were up to me, the hijab and Islam would be banned in the Western World. There are plenty of places  that a devout muslim can practise his faith without expecting christian countries to accommodate them.</p>
<p>I am pro immigration, but to me (living in Spain), that means you make an effort to integrate. You learn the language, respect their customs, traditions and don&#8217;t impose your ideals on them. </p>
<p>Do you know that the UN has now made it illegal to insult Islam? That&#8217;s just so ridiculous, a muslims idea of insulting islam encompasses criticising it&#8230; and that has taken away freedom of speech.</p>
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