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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/#comment-8740</link>
		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After another day of what can reasonably be described as a &#039;vocal&#039; discussion, I&#039;m closing this comments thread and the one from Wednesday as I&#039;m busy over the next few days so won&#039;t be able to keep up with old threads as well as new ones.  Thanks to everyone who has given their two cents worth and I&#039;m sure we will all keenly await the results of various investigations into this tragic incident.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8740&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8740&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;,&#039;After another day of what can reasonably be described as a \&#039;vocal\&#039; discussion, I\&#039;m closing this comments thread and the one from Wednesday as I\&#039;m busy over the next few days so won\&#039;t be able to keep up with old threads as well as new ones.  Thanks to everyone who has given their two cents worth and I\&#039;m sure we will all keenly await the results of various investigations into this tragic incident.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After another day of what can reasonably be described as a &#8216;vocal&#8217; discussion, I&#8217;m closing this comments thread and the one from Wednesday as I&#8217;m busy over the next few days so won&#8217;t be able to keep up with old threads as well as new ones.  Thanks to everyone who has given their two cents worth and I&#8217;m sure we will all keenly await the results of various investigations into this tragic incident.
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/#comment-8738</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why was Tomlinson living in a bail hostel?&lt;/em&gt;

He wasn&#039;t; he was living in a hostel. The bail bit was introduced by the Metropolitan Police press office.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8738&#039;,&#039;Alex&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8738&#039;,&#039;Alex&#039;,&#039;&lt;em&gt;Why was Tomlinson living in a bail hostel?&lt;\/em&gt;\r\n\r\nHe wasn\&#039;t; he was living in a hostel. The bail bit was introduced by the Metropolitan Police press office.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why was Tomlinson living in a bail hostel?</em></p>
<p>He wasn&#8217;t; he was living in a hostel. The bail bit was introduced by the Metropolitan Police press office.
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What actual content is there in these? Unless his arse extends several feet behind him, photo 1 doesn&#039;t show him &quot;blocking&quot; a police riot van at all. Photo 2 appears to show a further police assault - this doesn&#039;t back your case. And Photo 3 doesn&#039;t provide any information at all.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8737&#039;,&#039;Alex&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8737&#039;,&#039;Alex&#039;,&#039;What actual content is there in these? Unless his arse extends several feet behind him, photo 1 doesn\&#039;t show him \&quot;blocking\&quot; a police riot van at all. Photo 2 appears to show a further police assault - this doesn\&#039;t back your case. And Photo 3 doesn\&#039;t provide any information at all.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What actual content is there in these? Unless his arse extends several feet behind him, photo 1 doesn&#8217;t show him &#8220;blocking&#8221; a police riot van at all. Photo 2 appears to show a further police assault &#8211; this doesn&#8217;t back your case. And Photo 3 doesn&#8217;t provide any information at all.
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		<title>By: grumpy old man</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/#comment-8736</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy old man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LFAT.  Are you overdoing the charge of Left-Wing moral turpitude.   Just because a person is left-wing does not necessarily mean they are without courage.  Look at our PM.  He has not only (ghost) written books on the subject, but has on several occasions throughout the last 12 years displayed that personal courage that we associate with the committed socialist.
  Doubtless he took as his inspiration the performances of such as Trotsky and Khrushchev who actually showed great personal courage, respectively in the revolutionary wars and at Stalingrad, Gordon&#039;s  actions modified only by the constraints and necessities of modern times.
  There again, we can be directed by the performances of Labour MP&#039;s in the TA Reserve, and the willingness of their families to follow the example of the young Royals in serving in Labours&#039; wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The value socialists put on courage is exemplified by the efforts made by  the Cabinet to honour the return of the dead, and the unstinting efforts to provide the necessary treatment for those poor soldiers physically mentally and emotionally injured in Labour&#039;s war to recover fully from their experience.

While Mr. Tomlinson&#039;s treatment at the hands of the Police may or may not have contributed materially to his death, there are doubts about the preparedness of London&#039;s Police Forces, sorry, Services, for the control of hostile demonstrations.   I am, allegedly, one of those who had, allegedly, personal alleged experience of dealing with the alleged riots in Ulster during the 70&#039;s.(allegedly).
  To be facing  hostile demonstrators, most of whom are filled with mob courage, (like Dutch courage, but cheaper), some of whom are seeking an excuse to seriously injure or kill you, coupled with the ever-present threat of firearms or explosives being used by extremists, is a frightening thing.  One feels hunted and lonely, and is certain that only you are the target of the mob.

The way to deal with these fears is intensive and constant group training which includes all officers who will be in command situations,  high morale, trust in ones&#039; fellow constables, confidence in the command structure, and simple, well-rehearsed plans.   It appeared to me, from the comfort of my armchair, that most, if not all these items were lacking in the G 20 demonstrations.  If the man on the ground is not given the right equipment and training, then Mr Tomlisons will become a feature of political protest in UK.  What we don&#039;t need, by the way is half-trained bully-boys like the CRS or National Guard.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8736&#039;,&#039;grumpy old man&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8736&#039;,&#039;grumpy old man&#039;,&#039;LFAT.  Are you overdoing the charge of Left-Wing moral turpitude.   Just because a person is left-wing does not necessarily mean they are without courage.  Look at our PM.  He has not only (ghost) written books on the subject, but has on several occasions throughout the last 12 years displayed that personal courage that we associate with the committed socialist.\r\n  Doubtless he took as his inspiration the performances of such as Trotsky and Khrushchev who actually showed great personal courage, respectively in the revolutionary wars and at Stalingrad, Gordon\&#039;s  actions modified only by the constraints and necessities of modern times.\r\n  There again, we can be directed by the performances of Labour MP\&#039;s in the TA Reserve, and the willingness of their families to follow the example of the young Royals in serving in Labours\&#039; wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The value socialists put on courage is exemplified by the efforts made by  the Cabinet to honour the return of the dead, and the unstinting efforts to provide the necessary treatment for those poor soldiers physically mentally and emotionally injured in Labour\&#039;s war to recover fully from their experience.\r\n\r\nWhile Mr. Tomlinson\&#039;s treatment at the hands of the Police may or may not have contributed materially to his death, there are doubts about the preparedness of London\&#039;s Police Forces, sorry, Services, for the control of hostile demonstrations.   I am, allegedly, one of those who had, allegedly, personal alleged experience of dealing with the alleged riots in Ulster during the 70\&#039;s.(allegedly).\r\n  To be facing  hostile demonstrators, most of whom are filled with mob courage, (like Dutch courage, but cheaper), some of whom are seeking an excuse to seriously injure or kill you, coupled with the ever-present threat of firearms or explosives being used by extremists, is a frightening thing.  One feels hunted and lonely, and is certain that only you are the target of the mob.\r\n\r\nThe way to deal with these fears is intensive and constant group training which includes all officers who will be in command situations,  high morale, trust in ones\&#039; fellow constables, confidence in the command structure, and simple, well-rehearsed plans.   It appeared to me, from the comfort of my armchair, that most, if not all these items were lacking in the G 20 demonstrations.  If the man on the ground is not given the right equipment and training, then Mr Tomlisons will become a feature of political protest in UK.  What we don\&#039;t need, by the way is half-trained bully-boys like the CRS or National Guard.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LFAT.  Are you overdoing the charge of Left-Wing moral turpitude.   Just because a person is left-wing does not necessarily mean they are without courage.  Look at our PM.  He has not only (ghost) written books on the subject, but has on several occasions throughout the last 12 years displayed that personal courage that we associate with the committed socialist.<br />
  Doubtless he took as his inspiration the performances of such as Trotsky and Khrushchev who actually showed great personal courage, respectively in the revolutionary wars and at Stalingrad, Gordon&#8217;s  actions modified only by the constraints and necessities of modern times.<br />
  There again, we can be directed by the performances of Labour MP&#8217;s in the TA Reserve, and the willingness of their families to follow the example of the young Royals in serving in Labours&#8217; wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The value socialists put on courage is exemplified by the efforts made by  the Cabinet to honour the return of the dead, and the unstinting efforts to provide the necessary treatment for those poor soldiers physically mentally and emotionally injured in Labour&#8217;s war to recover fully from their experience.</p>
<p>While Mr. Tomlinson&#8217;s treatment at the hands of the Police may or may not have contributed materially to his death, there are doubts about the preparedness of London&#8217;s Police Forces, sorry, Services, for the control of hostile demonstrations.   I am, allegedly, one of those who had, allegedly, personal alleged experience of dealing with the alleged riots in Ulster during the 70&#8217;s.(allegedly).<br />
  To be facing  hostile demonstrators, most of whom are filled with mob courage, (like Dutch courage, but cheaper), some of whom are seeking an excuse to seriously injure or kill you, coupled with the ever-present threat of firearms or explosives being used by extremists, is a frightening thing.  One feels hunted and lonely, and is certain that only you are the target of the mob.</p>
<p>The way to deal with these fears is intensive and constant group training which includes all officers who will be in command situations,  high morale, trust in ones&#8217; fellow constables, confidence in the command structure, and simple, well-rehearsed plans.   It appeared to me, from the comfort of my armchair, that most, if not all these items were lacking in the G 20 demonstrations.  If the man on the ground is not given the right equipment and training, then Mr Tomlisons will become a feature of political protest in UK.  What we don&#8217;t need, by the way is half-trained bully-boys like the CRS or National Guard.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8736','grumpy old man'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8736','grumpy old man','LFAT.  Are you overdoing the charge of Left-Wing moral turpitude.   Just because a person is left-wing does not necessarily mean they are without courage.  Look at our PM.  He has not only (ghost) written books on the subject, but has on several occasions throughout the last 12 years displayed that personal courage that we associate with the committed socialist.\r\n  Doubtless he took as his inspiration the performances of such as Trotsky and Khrushchev who actually showed great personal courage, respectively in the revolutionary wars and at Stalingrad, Gordon\'s  actions modified only by the constraints and necessities of modern times.\r\n  There again, we can be directed by the performances of Labour MP\'s in the TA Reserve, and the willingness of their families to follow the example of the young Royals in serving in Labours\' wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The value socialists put on courage is exemplified by the efforts made by  the Cabinet to honour the return of the dead, and the unstinting efforts to provide the necessary treatment for those poor soldiers physically mentally and emotionally injured in Labour\'s war to recover fully from their experience.\r\n\r\nWhile Mr. Tomlinson\'s treatment at the hands of the Police may or may not have contributed materially to his death, there are doubts about the preparedness of London\'s Police Forces, sorry, Services, for the control of hostile demonstrations.   I am, allegedly, one of those who had, allegedly, personal alleged experience of dealing with the alleged riots in Ulster during the 70\'s.(allegedly).\r\n  To be facing  hostile demonstrators, most of whom are filled with mob courage, (like Dutch courage, but cheaper), some of whom are seeking an excuse to seriously injure or kill you, coupled with the ever-present threat of firearms or explosives being used by extremists, is a frightening thing.  One feels hunted and lonely, and is certain that only you are the target of the mob.\r\n\r\nThe way to deal with these fears is intensive and constant group training which includes all officers who will be in command situations,  high morale, trust in ones\' fellow constables, confidence in the command structure, and simple, well-rehearsed plans.   It appeared to me, from the comfort of my armchair, that most, if not all these items were lacking in the G 20 demonstrations.  If the man on the ground is not given the right equipment and training, then Mr Tomlisons will become a feature of political protest in UK.  What we don\'t need, by the way is half-trained bully-boys like the CRS or National Guard.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: thespecialone</title>
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		<dc:creator>thespecialone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He does seem to be in a high risk category according to all the advertising/spin that the government is spending our money on. The latest from the anti-police Daily Mail is that his brother died at the same age of a heart attack.  I am not a medical person and therefore do not wish to comment on that further. Listen, I and any other right-minding person will be very sad that Mr Tomlinson died, and I am sure the police officer is mortified.  In fact, earlier the DM reported that he had collapsed at home when he realised he was the officer involved.
I think that one thing about the left I detest is that they are very quick to demonise police, even when clearly they have done no wrong.  But when a demonstrator DELIBRATELY seriously injures an officer, they are strangely quiet.
The officer is in a lose lose situation. If the officer is found guilty then it is obvious the poor man will lose his job and maybe go to prison. If he is eventually cleared of having anything to do with Mr Tomlinson&#039;s death, it will be a &#039;cover-up&#039; or a &#039;whitewash&#039; and forever live with it.  
Just so that the media/left know, hitting someone on the fleshy part of the arm, thigh and calf is standard procedure. In 99.9999999999999999% of cases, the &#039;offender&#039; will suffer nothing more than a bruise and maybe an arrest.  What also gets to me is that day in/day out officers receive injuries (sometimes very serious and even death), and it is only when an officer dies it may get a day&#039;s headline.  I used to buy the Daily Mail but now just read it online because of their anti-police reporting.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8735&#039;,&#039;thespecialone&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8735&#039;,&#039;thespecialone&#039;,&#039;He does seem to be in a high risk category according to all the advertising\/spin that the government is spending our money on. The latest from the anti-police Daily Mail is that his brother died at the same age of a heart attack.  I am not a medical person and therefore do not wish to comment on that further. Listen, I and any other right-minding person will be very sad that Mr Tomlinson died, and I am sure the police officer is mortified.  In fact, earlier the DM reported that he had collapsed at home when he realised he was the officer involved.\r\nI think that one thing about the left I detest is that they are very quick to demonise police, even when clearly they have done no wrong.  But when a demonstrator DELIBRATELY seriously injures an officer, they are strangely quiet.\r\nThe officer is in a lose lose situation. If the officer is found guilty then it is obvious the poor man will lose his job and maybe go to prison. If he is eventually cleared of having anything to do with Mr Tomlinson\&#039;s death, it will be a \&#039;cover-up\&#039; or a \&#039;whitewash\&#039; and forever live with it.  \r\nJust so that the media\/left know, hitting someone on the fleshy part of the arm, thigh and calf is standard procedure. In 99.9999999999999999% of cases, the \&#039;offender\&#039; will suffer nothing more than a bruise and maybe an arrest.  What also gets to me is that day in\/day out officers receive injuries (sometimes very serious and even death), and it is only when an officer dies it may get a day\&#039;s headline.  I used to buy the Daily Mail but now just read it online because of their anti-police reporting.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He does seem to be in a high risk category according to all the advertising/spin that the government is spending our money on. The latest from the anti-police Daily Mail is that his brother died at the same age of a heart attack.  I am not a medical person and therefore do not wish to comment on that further. Listen, I and any other right-minding person will be very sad that Mr Tomlinson died, and I am sure the police officer is mortified.  In fact, earlier the DM reported that he had collapsed at home when he realised he was the officer involved.<br />
I think that one thing about the left I detest is that they are very quick to demonise police, even when clearly they have done no wrong.  But when a demonstrator DELIBRATELY seriously injures an officer, they are strangely quiet.<br />
The officer is in a lose lose situation. If the officer is found guilty then it is obvious the poor man will lose his job and maybe go to prison. If he is eventually cleared of having anything to do with Mr Tomlinson&#8217;s death, it will be a &#8216;cover-up&#8217; or a &#8216;whitewash&#8217; and forever live with it.<br />
Just so that the media/left know, hitting someone on the fleshy part of the arm, thigh and calf is standard procedure. In 99.9999999999999999% of cases, the &#8216;offender&#8217; will suffer nothing more than a bruise and maybe an arrest.  What also gets to me is that day in/day out officers receive injuries (sometimes very serious and even death), and it is only when an officer dies it may get a day&#8217;s headline.  I used to buy the Daily Mail but now just read it online because of their anti-police reporting.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8735','thespecialone'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8735','thespecialone','He does seem to be in a high risk category according to all the advertising\/spin that the government is spending our money on. The latest from the anti-police Daily Mail is that his brother died at the same age of a heart attack.  I am not a medical person and therefore do not wish to comment on that further. Listen, I and any other right-minding person will be very sad that Mr Tomlinson died, and I am sure the police officer is mortified.  In fact, earlier the DM reported that he had collapsed at home when he realised he was the officer involved.\r\nI think that one thing about the left I detest is that they are very quick to demonise police, even when clearly they have done no wrong.  But when a demonstrator DELIBRATELY seriously injures an officer, they are strangely quiet.\r\nThe officer is in a lose lose situation. If the officer is found guilty then it is obvious the poor man will lose his job and maybe go to prison. If he is eventually cleared of having anything to do with Mr Tomlinson\'s death, it will be a \'cover-up\' or a \'whitewash\' and forever live with it.  \r\nJust so that the media\/left know, hitting someone on the fleshy part of the arm, thigh and calf is standard procedure. In 99.9999999999999999% of cases, the \'offender\' will suffer nothing more than a bruise and maybe an arrest.  What also gets to me is that day in\/day out officers receive injuries (sometimes very serious and even death), and it is only when an officer dies it may get a day\'s headline.  I used to buy the Daily Mail but now just read it online because of their anti-police reporting.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ian B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I&#039;m pleased to have had another insight into that little fantasy world you live in in which you &quot;kicked my ass&quot;. It must be very lonely in there.

My consistent point has been that the policeman assaulted Mr Tomlinson, and he quite clearly did. Your judgment as to whether he would be convicted of the &lt;i&gt;crime&lt;/i&gt; of assault is something we cannot decide without an actual trial. Your attempts to direct the argument towards your own interpretation of the law are interesting, in a &quot;watching a loony arrange matchboxes according to their own inner compulsions&quot; kind of a way, but aren&#039;t germaine to the issue, which is a general public interest issue regarding what ordinary citizens, which we the commentariat on blogs (even your august self) are, consider acceptable police behaviour.

Please feel free to sit there in your home-made judge&#039;s wig presiding over the little courtroom of dolls and teddies arranged around you, insisting on what language everyone else may use, while the rest of us get on with discussing the public interest issue at stake here, which is whether we want the police to go around twatting people whenever they feel like it.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8734&#039;,&#039;Ian B&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8734&#039;,&#039;Ian B&#039;,&#039;Sam, I\&#039;m pleased to have had another insight into that little fantasy world you live in in which you \&quot;kicked my ass\&quot;. It must be very lonely in there.\r\n\r\nMy consistent point has been that the policeman assaulted Mr Tomlinson, and he quite clearly did. Your judgment as to whether he would be convicted of the &lt;i&gt;crime&lt;\/i&gt; of assault is something we cannot decide without an actual trial. Your attempts to direct the argument towards your own interpretation of the law are interesting, in a \&quot;watching a loony arrange matchboxes according to their own inner compulsions\&quot; kind of a way, but aren\&#039;t germaine to the issue, which is a general public interest issue regarding what ordinary citizens, which we the commentariat on blogs (even your august self) are, consider acceptable police behaviour.\r\n\r\nPlease feel free to sit there in your home-made judge\&#039;s wig presiding over the little courtroom of dolls and teddies arranged around you, insisting on what language everyone else may use, while the rest of us get on with discussing the public interest issue at stake here, which is whether we want the police to go around twatting people whenever they feel like it.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I&#8217;m pleased to have had another insight into that little fantasy world you live in in which you &#8220;kicked my ass&#8221;. It must be very lonely in there.</p>
<p>My consistent point has been that the policeman assaulted Mr Tomlinson, and he quite clearly did. Your judgment as to whether he would be convicted of the <i>crime</i> of assault is something we cannot decide without an actual trial. Your attempts to direct the argument towards your own interpretation of the law are interesting, in a &#8220;watching a loony arrange matchboxes according to their own inner compulsions&#8221; kind of a way, but aren&#8217;t germaine to the issue, which is a general public interest issue regarding what ordinary citizens, which we the commentariat on blogs (even your august self) are, consider acceptable police behaviour.</p>
<p>Please feel free to sit there in your home-made judge&#8217;s wig presiding over the little courtroom of dolls and teddies arranged around you, insisting on what language everyone else may use, while the rest of us get on with discussing the public interest issue at stake here, which is whether we want the police to go around twatting people whenever they feel like it.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8734','Ian B'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8734','Ian B','Sam, I\'m pleased to have had another insight into that little fantasy world you live in in which you \&quot;kicked my ass\&quot;. It must be very lonely in there.\r\n\r\nMy consistent point has been that the policeman assaulted Mr Tomlinson, and he quite clearly did. Your judgment as to whether he would be convicted of the &lt;i&gt;crime&lt;\/i&gt; of assault is something we cannot decide without an actual trial. Your attempts to direct the argument towards your own interpretation of the law are interesting, in a \&quot;watching a loony arrange matchboxes according to their own inner compulsions\&quot; kind of a way, but aren\'t germaine to the issue, which is a general public interest issue regarding what ordinary citizens, which we the commentariat on blogs (even your august self) are, consider acceptable police behaviour.\r\n\r\nPlease feel free to sit there in your home-made judge\'s wig presiding over the little courtroom of dolls and teddies arranged around you, insisting on what language everyone else may use, while the rest of us get on with discussing the public interest issue at stake here, which is whether we want the police to go around twatting people whenever they feel like it.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/#comment-8733</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Dan&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;He was a nuisance, but that does not make a lawful case for assaulting him.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do you know? If he was interfering with the police performing their duties, why is it unlawful to give him a push?   And he was not hurt, so let&#039;s not go all hysterical and say he was hurt. He wasn&#039;t.  

Nobody want to explain why he was in a &quot;bail hostel&quot; and why that may be important?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8733&#039;,&#039;sam&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8733&#039;,&#039;sam&#039;,&#039;&lt;b&gt;Dan&lt;\/b&gt; wrote:\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;He was a nuisance, but that does not make a lawful case for assaulting him.\r\n&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nHow do you know? If he was interfering with the police performing their duties, why is it unlawful to give him a push?   And he was not hurt, so let\&#039;s not go all hysterical and say he was hurt. He wasn\&#039;t.  \r\n\r\nNobody want to explain why he was in a \&quot;bail hostel\&quot; and why that may be important?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dan</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>He was a nuisance, but that does not make a lawful case for assaulting him.
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<p>How do you know? If he was interfering with the police performing their duties, why is it unlawful to give him a push?   And he was not hurt, so let&#8217;s not go all hysterical and say he was hurt. He wasn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Nobody want to explain why he was in a &#8220;bail hostel&#8221; and why that may be important?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8733','sam'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8733','sam','&lt;b&gt;Dan&lt;\/b&gt; wrote:\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;He was a nuisance, but that does not make a lawful case for assaulting him.\r\n&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nHow do you know? If he was interfering with the police performing their duties, why is it unlawful to give him a push?   And he was not hurt, so let\'s not go all hysterical and say he was hurt. He wasn\'t.  \r\n\r\nNobody want to explain why he was in a \&quot;bail hostel\&quot; and why that may be important?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/#comment-8732</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bloggerheads found time to come on this blog but refused to discuss Ian on his blog on the basis that he â€˜rejectedâ€™ the new evidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a lie. Rather than refuse to discuss the evidence, I pointed out that &#8211; contrary to your claim &#8211; I had already featured it, discussed it, dismissed it and explained on what basis I dismissed it. I even came here and explained that to you. </p>
<p>There is also a comment of mine from earlier this afternoon that you have yet to publish.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8732','Tim Ireland'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8732','Tim Ireland','\&quot;Bloggerheads found time to come on this blog but refused to discuss Ian on his blog on the basis that he &acirc;€˜rejected&acirc;€™ the new evidence.\&quot;\r\n\r\nThat\'s a lie. Rather than refuse to discuss the evidence, I pointed out that - contrary to your claim - I had already featured it, discussed it, dismissed it and explained on what basis I dismissed it. I even came here and explained that to you. \r\n\r\nThere is also a comment of mine from earlier this afternoon that you have yet to publish.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/#comment-8731</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Moorlandhunter&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If Tomlinson was a alcoholic, which is being stated he was, that he was drunk at the time and a smoker, which clearly he was, he has a fag on in one of the picture, and becasue of his age, he is in the very high risk group of those likely to suffer a heart attack.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

His brother died a year ago of a massive coronary and he was reported to be about the same age. So, another risk factor may have been genetics. Bottomline, is that he died as a result of an MI-not a push.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8731&#039;,&#039;sam&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8731&#039;,&#039;sam&#039;,&#039;&lt;b&gt;Moorlandhunter&lt;\/b&gt; wrote:\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;If Tomlinson was a alcoholic, which is being stated he was, that he was drunk at the time and a smoker, which clearly he was, he has a fag on in one of the picture, and becasue of his age, he is in the very high risk group of those likely to suffer a heart attack.\r\n&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nHis brother died a year ago of a massive coronary and he was reported to be about the same age. So, another risk factor may have been genetics. Bottomline, is that he died as a result of an MI-not a push.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Moorlandhunter</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>If Tomlinson was a alcoholic, which is being stated he was, that he was drunk at the time and a smoker, which clearly he was, he has a fag on in one of the picture, and becasue of his age, he is in the very high risk group of those likely to suffer a heart attack.
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<p>His brother died a year ago of a massive coronary and he was reported to be about the same age. So, another risk factor may have been genetics. Bottomline, is that he died as a result of an MI-not a push.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8731','sam'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8731','sam','&lt;b&gt;Moorlandhunter&lt;\/b&gt; wrote:\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;If Tomlinson was a alcoholic, which is being stated he was, that he was drunk at the time and a smoker, which clearly he was, he has a fag on in one of the picture, and becasue of his age, he is in the very high risk group of those likely to suffer a heart attack.\r\n&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nHis brother died a year ago of a massive coronary and he was reported to be about the same age. So, another risk factor may have been genetics. Bottomline, is that he died as a result of an MI-not a push.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/#comment-8730</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but being drunk doesn&#039;t give the Police the right to assault you. &quot;The law is the law&quot; and it is a principle of our legal system that it applies to all - including the Police - therefore assault is assault. The Officer concerned has commited a crime and should face the consequences. http://newsjunction.co.uk&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8730&#039;,&#039;David&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8730&#039;,&#039;David&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;m sorry but being drunk doesn\&#039;t give the Police the right to assault you. \&quot;The law is the law\&quot; and it is a principle of our legal system that it applies to all - including the Police - therefore assault is assault. The Officer concerned has commited a crime and should face the consequences. http:\/\/newsjunction.co.uk&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but being drunk doesn&#8217;t give the Police the right to assault you. &#8220;The law is the law&#8221; and it is a principle of our legal system that it applies to all &#8211; including the Police &#8211; therefore assault is assault. The Officer concerned has commited a crime and should face the consequences. <a href="http://newsjunction.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://newsjunction.co.uk</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8730','David'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8730','David','I\'m sorry but being drunk doesn\'t give the Police the right to assault you. \&quot;The law is the law\&quot; and it is a principle of our legal system that it applies to all - including the Police - therefore assault is assault. The Officer concerned has commited a crime and should face the consequences. http:\/\/newsjunction.co.uk'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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