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		<title>By: Steven Morson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Morson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted Conservative at every chance from my 18th birthday (1977), until a Major act of betrayal of our sovereignty was committed in 1992 – the signing of the Maastricht Treaty. Topically, this treaty transferred policy-making on mobility of labour and immigration from member states to the new E.U. (was the E.E.C.), some timed with opt-outs which were all removed when the Lisbon Treaty was signed last year.</p>
<p>Would you believe me if I told you that an estimated 90% of UKIP is ex-Conservative? It must be of that order; I&#8217;ve only met a few socialists.</p>
<p>The Lindsey oil refinery story, for us, was the final wake-up call; a clarion to the British public that says “Well, we did warn about this and it’s still not too late to change the situation!” Time will tell whether we will hear the “pitter-patter” of feet rushing toward us, but as long as they don’t go to the BNP…! Agreed?</p>
<p>William Hague is a sharply perceptive and thoroughly entertaining Commons performer, with fairly realistic views on the party’s minefield-issue of the E.U. But with the re-appointment of Ken Clarke, your party’s strongly pro-E.U. agenda has been revealed. We, however, are forecasted to ‘clean up’ on June 4th.</p>
<p>We predict more unrest as the realisation of our loss of sovereignty dawns. It’s been happening for years, just not reported.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6494','Steven Morson'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6494','Steven Morson','I voted Conservative at every chance from my 18th birthday (1977), until a Major act of betrayal of our sovereignty was committed in 1992 &acirc; the signing of the Maastricht Treaty. Topically, this treaty transferred policy-making on mobility of labour and immigration from member states to the new E.U. (was the E.E.C.), some timed with opt-outs which were all removed when the Lisbon Treaty was signed last year.\r\n\r\nWould you believe me if I told you that an estimated 90% of UKIP is ex-Conservative? It must be of that order; I\'ve only met a few socialists.\r\n\r\nThe Lindsey oil refinery story, for us, was the final wake-up call; a clarion to the British public that says &acirc;Well, we did warn about this and it&acirc;s still not too late to change the situation!&acirc; Time will tell whether we will hear the &acirc;pitter-patter&acirc; of feet rushing toward us, but as long as they don&acirc;t go to the BNP&acirc;&brvbar;! Agreed?\r\n\r\nWilliam Hague is a sharply perceptive and thoroughly entertaining Commons performer, with fairly realistic views on the party&acirc;s minefield-issue of the E.U. But with the re-appointment of Ken Clarke, your party&acirc;s strongly pro-E.U. agenda has been revealed. We, however, are forecasted to &acirc;clean up&acirc; on June 4th.\r\n\r\nWe predict more unrest as the realisation of our loss of sovereignty dawns. It&acirc;s been happening for years, just not reported.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Top Stories and Blog Review - 3rd February &#8211; Politics Unlimited &#124; UK politics news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top Stories and Blog Review - 3rd February &#8211; Politics Unlimited &#124; UK politics news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Good old Letters writes to William Hague and takes him to task for driving Tory voters to UKIP with his &#8216;free movement for workers within the EU&#8217; comments on Andrew Marr. Go Letters! [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6444&#039;,&#039;Top Stories and Blog Review - 3rd February &#8211; Politics Unlimited &#124; UK politics news&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6444&#039;,&#039;Top Stories and Blog Review - 3rd February &#8211; Politics Unlimited &#124; UK politics news&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; Good old Letters writes to William Hague and takes him to task for driving Tory voters to UKIP with his &#8216;free movement for workers within the EU&#8217; comments on Andrew Marr. Go Letters! &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Good old Letters writes to William Hague and takes him to task for driving Tory voters to UKIP with his &#8216;free movement for workers within the EU&#8217; comments on Andrew Marr. Go Letters! [...]
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		<title>By: Riddi of England</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riddi of England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LFAT@5.35

Dear esteemed ringmeister.


If the voters havent &quot;fully woken up&quot; they are at least starting to smell the sulphurous EUSSR stench of betrayal and tyrrany coming to a regional government near you.

When the contracts are let for :

Runway extensions... Spain
Severn Barrier...certainly not Bob the builder
Anglian Wash Barrier ... as above
Nuclear stations ... hardly English Gas
Power grid ... Eon from france possibly
Broadband England ... Deutsche Post
Aircraft carriers ...
etc etc

the seething discontent in England will require the activation of the Constitutional Powers Act.

And  that saddens me .&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6439&#039;,&#039;Riddi of England&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6439&#039;,&#039;Riddi of England&#039;,&#039;LFAT@5.35\r\n\r\nDear esteemed ringmeister.\r\n\r\n\r\nIf the voters havent \&quot;fully woken up\&quot; they are at least starting to smell the sulphurous EUSSR stench of betrayal and tyrrany coming to a regional government near you.\r\n\r\nWhen the contracts are let for :\r\n\r\nRunway extensions... Spain\r\nSevern Barrier...certainly not Bob the builder\r\nAnglian Wash Barrier ... as above\r\nNuclear stations ... hardly English Gas\r\nPower grid ... Eon from france possibly\r\nBroadband England ... Deutsche Post\r\nAircraft carriers ...\r\netc etc\r\n\r\nthe seething discontent in England will require the activation of the Constitutional Powers Act.\r\n\r\nAnd  that saddens me .&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Dear esteemed ringmeister.</p>
<p>If the voters havent &#8220;fully woken up&#8221; they are at least starting to smell the sulphurous EUSSR stench of betrayal and tyrrany coming to a regional government near you.</p>
<p>When the contracts are let for :</p>
<p>Runway extensions&#8230; Spain<br />
Severn Barrier&#8230;certainly not Bob the builder<br />
Anglian Wash Barrier &#8230; as above<br />
Nuclear stations &#8230; hardly English Gas<br />
Power grid &#8230; Eon from france possibly<br />
Broadband England &#8230; Deutsche Post<br />
Aircraft carriers &#8230;<br />
etc etc</p>
<p>the seething discontent in England will require the activation of the Constitutional Powers Act.</p>
<p>And  that saddens me .
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done. You have passed the initial module in &#039;becoming a socialist&#039;.

Next week we&#039;ll examine &#039;what can be done to solve these problems&#039;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6438&#039;,&#039;Adam Smith&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6438&#039;,&#039;Adam Smith&#039;,&#039;Well done. You have passed the initial module in \&#039;becoming a socialist\&#039;.\r\n\r\nNext week we\&#039;ll examine \&#039;what can be done to solve these problems\&#039;.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done. You have passed the initial module in &#8216;becoming a socialist&#8217;.</p>
<p>Next week we&#8217;ll examine &#8216;what can be done to solve these problems&#8217;.
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BNP are largely, I think, a busted flush, 12,000 outed members and presumably a cadre of supporters who for whatever reason can&#039;t actually bring themselves to join. 

If that leak wasn&#039;t an intelligence job (and bearing in mind the mooted &#039;police investigation&#039;/&#039;prosecution&#039; has gone totally silent I think we can assume that *something* comical went on!) then they are so grotesquely incompetent as to be completely unable to stage a takeover of a country with a population of 60 million. And if it was an intelligence job then its safe to assume that if times get rough and the gloves come off they&#039;ll be propping up the M25 Expansion Project of 2015.

So while they may at worst get an MP or 2 or, better yet, a Euro MP (think about it - if the UK returns a handful of labour and Tory MEPs and the rest as UKIP &amp; BNP, the Europeons may ask *us to leave!) so what? Have that strain of idiocy represented but stop worrying about it! Facists are never going to take over the UK as people here are, at heart, too obstinate, too stubborn and too contrarian to go quietly along that road and if you can&#039;t go quietly, you cant go at all...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6437&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6437&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;The BNP are largely, I think, a busted flush, 12,000 outed members and presumably a cadre of supporters who for whatever reason can\&#039;t actually bring themselves to join. \r\n\r\nIf that leak wasn\&#039;t an intelligence job (and bearing in mind the mooted \&#039;police investigation\&#039;\/\&#039;prosecution\&#039; has gone totally silent I think we can assume that *something* comical went on!) then they are so grotesquely incompetent as to be completely unable to stage a takeover of a country with a population of 60 million. And if it was an intelligence job then its safe to assume that if times get rough and the gloves come off they\&#039;ll be propping up the M25 Expansion Project of 2015.\r\n\r\nSo while they may at worst get an MP or 2 or, better yet, a Euro MP (think about it - if the UK returns a handful of labour and Tory MEPs and the rest as UKIP &amp; BNP, the Europeons may ask *us to leave!) so what? Have that strain of idiocy represented but stop worrying about it! Facists are never going to take over the UK as people here are, at heart, too obstinate, too stubborn and too contrarian to go quietly along that road and if you can\&#039;t go quietly, you cant go at all...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BNP are largely, I think, a busted flush, 12,000 outed members and presumably a cadre of supporters who for whatever reason can&#8217;t actually bring themselves to join. </p>
<p>If that leak wasn&#8217;t an intelligence job (and bearing in mind the mooted &#8216;police investigation&#8217;/'prosecution&#8217; has gone totally silent I think we can assume that *something* comical went on!) then they are so grotesquely incompetent as to be completely unable to stage a takeover of a country with a population of 60 million. And if it was an intelligence job then its safe to assume that if times get rough and the gloves come off they&#8217;ll be propping up the M25 Expansion Project of 2015.</p>
<p>So while they may at worst get an MP or 2 or, better yet, a Euro MP (think about it &#8211; if the UK returns a handful of labour and Tory MEPs and the rest as UKIP &amp; BNP, the Europeons may ask *us to leave!) so what? Have that strain of idiocy represented but stop worrying about it! Facists are never going to take over the UK as people here are, at heart, too obstinate, too stubborn and too contrarian to go quietly along that road and if you can&#8217;t go quietly, you cant go at all&#8230;
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		<title>By: Andrew Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politically, I agree with you. It is playing not only into UKIP&#039;s hands, but it is also sending voters to the likes of the BNP and the NF. 

In my heart though I disagree with you. I believe in the free market as a means to make us all better off. If this decision by Total had been made at a time of economic prosperity, it would not have made page 30 of The Sun. We are in grave danger of following the lead of President Obama and slipping into a protectionist frame of mind. This will lead us into a deeper and longer recession. 

All of the points you have raised over William Hague&#039;s performance are valid, however, William was being true to his beliefs. It may cost us votes, but we still need more people like him.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6434&#039;,&#039;Andrew Allison&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6434&#039;,&#039;Andrew Allison&#039;,&#039;Politically, I agree with you. It is playing not only into UKIP\&#039;s hands, but it is also sending voters to the likes of the BNP and the NF. \r\n\r\nIn my heart though I disagree with you. I believe in the free market as a means to make us all better off. If this decision by Total had been made at a time of economic prosperity, it would not have made page 30 of The Sun. We are in grave danger of following the lead of President Obama and slipping into a protectionist frame of mind. This will lead us into a deeper and longer recession. \r\n\r\nAll of the points you have raised over William Hague\&#039;s performance are valid, however, William was being true to his beliefs. It may cost us votes, but we still need more people like him.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politically, I agree with you. It is playing not only into UKIP&#8217;s hands, but it is also sending voters to the likes of the BNP and the NF. </p>
<p>In my heart though I disagree with you. I believe in the free market as a means to make us all better off. If this decision by Total had been made at a time of economic prosperity, it would not have made page 30 of The Sun. We are in grave danger of following the lead of President Obama and slipping into a protectionist frame of mind. This will lead us into a deeper and longer recession. </p>
<p>All of the points you have raised over William Hague&#8217;s performance are valid, however, William was being true to his beliefs. It may cost us votes, but we still need more people like him.
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		<title>By: West Brom Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>West Brom Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue Said:

&quot;LFAT, on this I agree with you. If the contract was put out to tender and the cheapest was chosen, it follows that the workforce was also cheaper&quot;.

Not necessarily.  In fact I have yet to see evidence - ie a statement - to confirm that there is any undercutting of British workers&#039; wages.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6431&#039;,&#039;West Brom Blogger&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6431&#039;,&#039;West Brom Blogger&#039;,&#039;Sue Said:\r\n\r\n\&quot;LFAT, on this I agree with you. If the contract was put out to tender and the cheapest was chosen, it follows that the workforce was also cheaper\&quot;.\r\n\r\nNot necessarily.  In fact I have yet to see evidence - ie a statement - to confirm that there is any undercutting of British workers\&#039; wages.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>&#8220;LFAT, on this I agree with you. If the contract was put out to tender and the cheapest was chosen, it follows that the workforce was also cheaper&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not necessarily.  In fact I have yet to see evidence &#8211; ie a statement &#8211; to confirm that there is any undercutting of British workers&#8217; wages.
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno £7bn isn&#039;t that much anymore (which is one of my points). Its under 1/7th of what we spanked on Northern Rock which is worth what to us, today, exactly? Then there&#039;s the rest of the bank bailouts which basically are pouring money down the drain (we&#039;ll never see it again, it will never yield a profit compared to outlay and in the end we&#039;ll privatise the banking sector again!) or £30bn or so for Trident plus ongoing costs. 

WW2 cost the UK &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_did_World_War_2_cost&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;£20,500,000,000&lt;/a&gt; (20.5bn, 1940s rates).

So, at a brutal level, is £7bn a year worth it, in saving *trillions* of pounds of our own expenditure and tens of millions of lives at home and on the continent?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6429&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6429&#039;,&#039;Shaun Pilkington&#039;,&#039;I dunno &#194;&#163;7bn isn\&#039;t that much anymore (which is one of my points). Its under 1\/7th of what we spanked on Northern Rock which is worth what to us, today, exactly? Then there\&#039;s the rest of the bank bailouts which basically are pouring money down the drain (we\&#039;ll never see it again, it will never yield a profit compared to outlay and in the end we\&#039;ll privatise the banking sector again!) or &#194;&#163;30bn or so for Trident plus ongoing costs. \r\n\r\nWW2 cost the UK &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/wiki.answers.com\/Q\/How_much_did_World_War_2_cost\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;&#194;&#163;20,500,000,000&lt;\/a&gt; (20.5bn, 1940s rates).\r\n\r\nSo, at a brutal level, is &#194;&#163;7bn a year worth it, in saving *trillions* of pounds of our own expenditure and tens of millions of lives at home and on the continent?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno £7bn isn&#8217;t that much anymore (which is one of my points). Its under 1/7th of what we spanked on Northern Rock which is worth what to us, today, exactly? Then there&#8217;s the rest of the bank bailouts which basically are pouring money down the drain (we&#8217;ll never see it again, it will never yield a profit compared to outlay and in the end we&#8217;ll privatise the banking sector again!) or £30bn or so for Trident plus ongoing costs. </p>
<p>WW2 cost the UK <a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_did_World_War_2_cost" rel="nofollow">£20,500,000,000</a> (20.5bn, 1940s rates).</p>
<p>So, at a brutal level, is £7bn a year worth it, in saving *trillions* of pounds of our own expenditure and tens of millions of lives at home and on the continent?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6429','Shaun Pilkington'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6429','Shaun Pilkington','I dunno &Acirc;&pound;7bn isn\'t that much anymore (which is one of my points). Its under 1\/7th of what we spanked on Northern Rock which is worth what to us, today, exactly? Then there\'s the rest of the bank bailouts which basically are pouring money down the drain (we\'ll never see it again, it will never yield a profit compared to outlay and in the end we\'ll privatise the banking sector again!) or &Acirc;&pound;30bn or so for Trident plus ongoing costs. \r\n\r\nWW2 cost the UK &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/wiki.answers.com\/Q\/How_much_did_World_War_2_cost\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;&Acirc;&pound;20,500,000,000&lt;\/a&gt; (20.5bn, 1940s rates).\r\n\r\nSo, at a brutal level, is &Acirc;&pound;7bn a year worth it, in saving *trillions* of pounds of our own expenditure and tens of millions of lives at home and on the continent?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Like the Common Market, free movement of goods &amp; services and plentiful cheap French booze! &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

*agrees*

The overarching laws..? Not so much...

&lt;i&gt;&quot;how on Earth did so many people think 120% mortgages could work?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Because everyone else was doing it?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6428&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6428&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;,&#039;&lt;i&gt;\&quot;Like the Common Market, free movement of goods &amp; services and plentiful cheap French booze! \&quot;&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\n*agrees*\r\n\r\nThe overarching laws..? Not so much...\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;\&quot;how on Earth did so many people think 120% mortgages could work?\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nBecause everyone else was doing it?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Like the Common Market, free movement of goods &amp; services and plentiful cheap French booze! &#8220;</i></p>
<p>*agrees*</p>
<p>The overarching laws..? Not so much&#8230;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;how on Earth did so many people think 120% mortgages could work?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Because everyone else was doing it?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6428','JuliaM'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6428','JuliaM','&lt;i&gt;\&quot;Like the Common Market, free movement of goods &amp;amp; services and plentiful cheap French booze! \&quot;&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\n*agrees*\r\n\r\nThe overarching laws..? Not so much...\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;\&quot;how on Earth did so many people think 120% mortgages could work?\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nBecause everyone else was doing it?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: LFAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, I don&#039;t hold the EU responsible for anything of the sort.  I fundamentally disagree with the principle of handing over control of certain issues - the movement of people in and out of the UK being one such issue.  There are, of course, plenty more.

There is no question that in pure financial terms we put in more than we get out (by around £7 billion a year, if memory serves me correctly).  In return for that I&#039;d expect something pretty bloody spectacular and I really don&#039;t think that is the case.  This incident at the Lindsey oil refinery and the accompanying strikes is merely the voters waking up to what they&#039;ve been signed up to.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6427&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6427&#039;,&#039;LFAT&#039;,&#039;Shaun, I don\&#039;t hold the EU responsible for anything of the sort.  I fundamentally disagree with the principle of handing over control of certain issues - the movement of people in and out of the UK being one such issue.  There are, of course, plenty more.\n\nThere is no question that in pure financial terms we put in more than we get out (by around &#194;&#163;7 billion a year, if memory serves me correctly).  In return for that I\&#039;d expect something pretty bloody spectacular and I really don\&#039;t think that is the case.  This incident at the Lindsey oil refinery and the accompanying strikes is merely the voters waking up to what they\&#039;ve been signed up to.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, I don&#8217;t hold the EU responsible for anything of the sort.  I fundamentally disagree with the principle of handing over control of certain issues &#8211; the movement of people in and out of the UK being one such issue.  There are, of course, plenty more.</p>
<p>There is no question that in pure financial terms we put in more than we get out (by around £7 billion a year, if memory serves me correctly).  In return for that I&#8217;d expect something pretty bloody spectacular and I really don&#8217;t think that is the case.  This incident at the Lindsey oil refinery and the accompanying strikes is merely the voters waking up to what they&#8217;ve been signed up to.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6427','LFAT'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6427','LFAT','Shaun, I don\'t hold the EU responsible for anything of the sort.  I fundamentally disagree with the principle of handing over control of certain issues - the movement of people in and out of the UK being one such issue.  There are, of course, plenty more.\n\nThere is no question that in pure financial terms we put in more than we get out (by around &Acirc;&pound;7 billion a year, if memory serves me correctly).  In return for that I\'d expect something pretty bloody spectacular and I really don\'t think that is the case.  This incident at the Lindsey oil refinery and the accompanying strikes is merely the voters waking up to what they\'ve been signed up to.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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