Comments on: Harriet Harman is intent on destroying fairness in British society http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/ Daily views on British politics and the Conservative Party from a centre-right thinker who writes letters on his blog to politicians, journalists and many others. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:16:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Shaun Pilkington http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-6192 Shaun Pilkington Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:32:10 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-6192 No Janey - equal; pay for equal work is fine. What's not fine is rocking up to meetings as a Project Manager and then underperforming (not knowing what work is to be done by who or when, for instance) and then blaming it on your period (as happened to me as a QA manger in 2000). What's not fine is demanding the right to leave work habitually early but then not expect that to impact on your pay packet or performance because you have to collect your kid from school. What's certainly not fine is taking a year off to have a baby and then expecting your career to continue as if you hadn't lost a years worth of experience and commerical relationships. So yeah, equal work for equal pay is absolutely a great thing. Extra privilleges for biologically dependent lifestyle choices isn't.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6192','Shaun Pilkington'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6192','Shaun Pilkington','No Janey - equal; pay for equal work is fine. What\'s not fine is rocking up to meetings as a Project Manager and then underperforming (not knowing what work is to be done by who or when, for instance) and then blaming it on your period (as happened to me as a QA manger in 2000). What\'s not fine is demanding the right to leave work habitually early but then not expect that to impact on your pay packet or performance because you have to collect your kid from school. What\'s certainly not fine is taking a year off to have a baby and then expecting your career to continue as if you hadn\'t lost a years worth of experience and commerical relationships.\r\n\r\nSo yeah, equal work for equal pay is absolutely a great thing. Extra privilleges for biologically dependent lifestyle choices isn\'t.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> No Janey – equal; pay for equal work is fine. What’s not fine is rocking up to meetings as a Project Manager and then underperforming (not knowing what work is to be done by who or when, for instance) and then blaming it on your period (as happened to me as a QA manger in 2000). What’s not fine is demanding the right to leave work habitually early but then not expect that to impact on your pay packet or performance because you have to collect your kid from school. What’s certainly not fine is taking a year off to have a baby and then expecting your career to continue as if you hadn’t lost a years worth of experience and commerical relationships.

So yeah, equal work for equal pay is absolutely a great thing. Extra privilleges for biologically dependent lifestyle choices isn’t.

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]]> By: Janey http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-6191 Janey Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:16:24 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-6191 Why all this hysteria over the notion that women should get equal pay and equal promotion for equal work? Just look at these comments -- the sum effect is that clearly women are asking for something totally unreasonable. Where reasons are given, they are laughable. Spending any time at home looking after a man's child apparently disqualifies you from ever again earning anything sensible -- no-one has ever managed to work out that "equal work" implies equal numbers of years of relevant experience should be used in the comparison? And there is plain ignorance -- childless women would love to have pay equality with men.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6191','Janey'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6191','Janey','Why all this hysteria over the notion that women should get equal pay and equal promotion for equal work? Just look at these comments -- the sum effect is that clearly women are asking for something totally unreasonable. \r\n\r\nWhere reasons are given, they are laughable. Spending any time at home looking after a man\'s child apparently disqualifies you from ever again earning anything sensible -- no-one has ever managed to work out that \"equal work\" implies equal numbers of years of relevant experience should be used in the comparison? And there is plain ignorance -- childless women would love to have pay equality with men.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Why all this hysteria over the notion that women should get equal pay and equal promotion for equal work? Just look at these comments — the sum effect is that clearly women are asking for something totally unreasonable.

Where reasons are given, they are laughable. Spending any time at home looking after a man’s child apparently disqualifies you from ever again earning anything sensible — no-one has ever managed to work out that “equal work” implies equal numbers of years of relevant experience should be used in the comparison? And there is plain ignorance — childless women would love to have pay equality with men.

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]]> By: Adrian P http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-6008 Adrian P Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:02:20 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-6008 I hear that Harriet Harmthem is also considering making it law that at the conclusion of all poker tournaments, the winner must share all his winnings with all the other players.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6008','Adrian P'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6008','Adrian P','I hear that Harriet Harmthem is also considering making it law that at the conclusion of all poker tournaments, the winner must share all his winnings with all the other players.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> I hear that Harriet Harmthem is also considering making it law that at the conclusion of all poker tournaments, the winner must share all his winnings with all the other players.
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]]> By: Adrian P http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-6007 Adrian P Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:59:15 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-6007 I've noticed that there are lots of black Boxers who are world champions, I feel that this is because of institutionalised discrimination against white non boxers such as myself. Were such clear discrimination against white non boxers not in place I myself might we have been world Boxing champion with all the associated benefits and wealth, women, cars etc. I'm thinking of suing the Boxing federation for discrimination against White Non boxers. White Non Boxers deserve to be world champions too, it's only fair.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6007','Adrian P'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6007','Adrian P','I\'ve noticed that there are lots of black Boxers who are world champions, I feel that this is because of institutionalised discrimination against white non boxers such as myself.\r\n\r\nWere such clear discrimination against white non boxers not in place I myself might we have been world Boxing champion with all the associated benefits and wealth, women, cars etc.\r\n\r\nI\'m thinking of suing the Boxing federation for discrimination against White Non boxers.\r\n\r\nWhite Non Boxers deserve to be world champions too, it\'s only fair.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> I’ve noticed that there are lots of black Boxers who are world champions, I feel that this is because of institutionalised discrimination against white non boxers such as myself.

Were such clear discrimination against white non boxers not in place I myself might we have been world Boxing champion with all the associated benefits and wealth, women, cars etc.

I’m thinking of suing the Boxing federation for discrimination against White Non boxers.

White Non Boxers deserve to be world champions too, it’s only fair.

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]]> By: The Quisani League » Blog Archive » CoC: Jan 12th, 2009 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-5883 The Quisani League » Blog Archive » CoC: Jan 12th, 2009 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:17:04 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-5883 [...] Tory presents Harriet Harman is intent on destroying fairness in British society | Letters From A Tory posted at Letters From A Tory, saying, “Not content with destroying the British economy, the [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5883','The Quisani League » Blog Archive » CoC: Jan 12th, 2009'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5883','The Quisani League » Blog Archive » CoC: Jan 12th, 2009','[...] Tory presents Harriet Harman is intent on destroying fairness in British society | Letters From A Tory posted at Letters From A Tory, saying, “Not content with destroying the British economy, the [...]'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> [...] Tory presents Harriet Harman is intent on destroying fairness in British society | Letters From A Tory posted at Letters From A Tory, saying, “Not content with destroying the British economy, the [...]
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]]> By: StevenL http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-5754 StevenL Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:23:41 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-5754 This sort of ******** has been going on in local government for decades. From the unions point of view they don't like the idea of their being labour market so they support it. From the managers' points of view it is an opportunity to try and shaft each other's departments and get their sticky fingers on each other budgets. They call it 'single status' in local government. Years ago the ruse was to try and make 'blue collar' and 'white collar' workers 'equal'. Now the ruse is gender and 'equal pay'. It's the same thing, the unions are happier when there is a paper-shuffling, box-ticking nonsensical and overly-bureaucratic way of deciding who gets paid what as opposed to letting the market decide, which they think is 'unfair'. The Labour movement would love to extend this nonsense, and their trade unions, into the private sector and abolish the labour market for good. They believe that the labour market discriminates against people and can't be trusted. Further reading: http://www.unison.org.uk/localgov/gettingequal/ http://www.labournet.net/ukunion/0508/singstat1.html http://www.labouruniondigest.org.uk/index.php?page_id=13<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5754','StevenL'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5754','StevenL','This sort of ******** has been going on in local government for decades. From the unions point of view they don\'t like the idea of their being labour market so they support it. From the managers\' points of view it is an opportunity to try and shaft each other\'s departments and get their sticky fingers on each other budgets.\r\n\r\nThey call it \'single status\' in local government. Years ago the ruse was to try and make \'blue collar\' and \'white collar\' workers \'equal\'. Now the ruse is gender and \'equal pay\'. It\'s the same thing, the unions are happier when there is a paper-shuffling, box-ticking nonsensical and overly-bureaucratic way of deciding who gets paid what as opposed to letting the market decide, which they think is \'unfair\'.\r\n\r\nThe Labour movement would love to extend this nonsense, and their trade unions, into the private sector and abolish the labour market for good. They believe that the labour market discriminates against people and can\'t be trusted.\r\n\r\nFurther reading:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.unison.org.uk\/localgov\/gettingequal\/\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.labournet.net\/ukunion\/0508\/singstat1.html\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.labouruniondigest.org.uk\/index.php?page_id=13'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> This sort of ******** has been going on in local government for decades. From the unions point of view they don’t like the idea of their being labour market so they support it. From the managers’ points of view it is an opportunity to try and shaft each other’s departments and get their sticky fingers on each other budgets.

They call it ’single status’ in local government. Years ago the ruse was to try and make ‘blue collar’ and ‘white collar’ workers ‘equal’. Now the ruse is gender and ‘equal pay’. It’s the same thing, the unions are happier when there is a paper-shuffling, box-ticking nonsensical and overly-bureaucratic way of deciding who gets paid what as opposed to letting the market decide, which they think is ‘unfair’.

The Labour movement would love to extend this nonsense, and their trade unions, into the private sector and abolish the labour market for good. They believe that the labour market discriminates against people and can’t be trusted.

Further reading:

http://www.unison.org.uk/localgov/gettingequal/

http://www.labournet.net/ukunion/0508/singstat1.html

http://www.labouruniondigest.org.uk/index.php?page_id=13

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]]> By: Bill Quango mp http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-5753 Bill Quango mp Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:23:57 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-5753 Mark Wadsworth.. Yes, remember that one. I recommend all to check this then click on Mark's Harriet links.They are all good. {I had forgotten that picture you drew.Excellent.} [+Some anon has ripped off my quote from elsewhere!]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5753','Bill Quango mp'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5753','Bill Quango mp','Mark Wadsworth..\r\nYes, remember that one.\r\nI recommend all to check this then click on Mark\'s Harriet links.They are all good.\r\n{I had forgotten that picture you drew.Excellent.}\r\n[+Some anon has ripped off my quote from elsewhere!]'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Mark Wadsworth..
Yes, remember that one.
I recommend all to check this then click on Mark’s Harriet links.They are all good.
{I had forgotten that picture you drew.Excellent.}
[+Some anon has ripped off my quote from elsewhere!]
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]]> By: Mark Wadsworth http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-5752 Mark Wadsworth Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:26:45 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-5752 BQ, comment 17. Don't forget Harriet Harperson's <a href="http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2008/06/harman-pushes-discrimination-plan.html" rel="nofollow">Dumbest Proposal Of All Time</a>.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5752','Mark Wadsworth'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5752','Mark Wadsworth','BQ, comment 17. Don\'t forget Harriet Harperson\'s <a href=\"http:\/\/markwadsworth.blogspot.com\/2008\/06\/harman-pushes-discrimination-plan.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">Dumbest Proposal Of All Time<\/a>.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> BQ, comment 17. Don’t forget Harriet Harperson’s Dumbest Proposal Of All Time.
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]]> By: jameshigham http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-5750 jameshigham Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:58:36 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-5750 Today’s revelation that companies could be “named and shamed” in league tables revealing pay inequalities between male and female employees is deeply concerning because, just like your plans from last year, it falls at the first hurdle.

… or alternatively can be seen as the thin edge of the wedge.

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]]> By: Steve Green (Daily Referendum Blog). http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/01/06/harriet-harman-is-intent-on-destroying-fairness-in-our-society/#comment-5749 Steve Green (Daily Referendum Blog). Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:42:04 +0000 http://www.lettersfromatory.com/?p=1787#comment-5749 <a href="http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/" rel="nofollow">No10 Petition - Gordon Brown to resign for economic incompetence. </a><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5749','Steve Green (Daily Referendum Blog).'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5749','Steve Green (Daily Referendum Blog).','<a href=\"http:\/\/petitions.number10.gov.uk\/Fianance\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">No10 Petition - Gordon Brown to resign for economic incompetence. <\/a>'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> No10 Petition – Gordon Brown to resign for economic incompetence.
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