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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/26/the-truth-behind-the-wall-street-bail-out/#comment-3849</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never thought I&#039;d say this, but I am ashamed to be an &quot;American&quot;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3849&#039;,&#039;Truth&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3849&#039;,&#039;Truth&#039;,&#039;Never thought I\&#039;d say this, but I am ashamed to be an \&quot;American\&quot;.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never thought I&#8217;d say this, but I am ashamed to be an &#8220;American&#8221;.
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/26/the-truth-behind-the-wall-street-bail-out/#comment-3850</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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Presidential candidate Ralph Nader has a good video about the wall street bailout, I&#039;ll play you a short clip and also a clip of Chomsky talking about capitalism in the real world .

Nader is right, the bailout is yet another example of socialism for the rich which has been the game that&#039;s always been played.

I recommend this CD of Noam Chomsky talking at Harvard in 96.
Chomsky explains that the free market theory sold to the public is just a fantasy. He shows how in the real world, different rules apply to the rich. the rich make sure they have  the nanny state to take care of themselves. We are being played for fools. Let&#039;s get the word out. Send this link to others: http://Tinyurl.com/BailoutTruth&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3850&#039;,&#039;Tom&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3850&#039;,&#039;Tom&#039;,&#039;Send this link to others: http:\/\/Tinyurl.com\/BailoutTruth\n\nPresidential candidate Ralph Nader has a good video about the wall street bailout, I\&#039;ll play you a short clip and also a clip of Chomsky talking about capitalism in the real world .\n\nNader is right, the bailout is yet another example of socialism for the rich which has been the game that\&#039;s always been played.\n\nI recommend this CD of Noam Chomsky talking at Harvard in 96.\nChomsky explains that the free market theory sold to the public is just a fantasy. He shows how in the real world, different rules apply to the rich. the rich make sure they have  the nanny state to take care of themselves. We are being played for fools. Let\&#039;s get the word out. Send this link to others: http:\/\/Tinyurl.com\/BailoutTruth&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send this link to others: <a href="http://Tinyurl.com/BailoutTruth" rel="nofollow">http://Tinyurl.com/BailoutTruth</a></p>
<p>Presidential candidate Ralph Nader has a good video about the wall street bailout, I&#8217;ll play you a short clip and also a clip of Chomsky talking about capitalism in the real world .</p>
<p>Nader is right, the bailout is yet another example of socialism for the rich which has been the game that&#8217;s always been played.</p>
<p>I recommend this CD of Noam Chomsky talking at Harvard in 96.<br />
Chomsky explains that the free market theory sold to the public is just a fantasy. He shows how in the real world, different rules apply to the rich. the rich make sure they have  the nanny state to take care of themselves. We are being played for fools. Let&#8217;s get the word out. Send this link to others: <a href="http://Tinyurl.com/BailoutTruth" rel="nofollow">http://Tinyurl.com/BailoutTruth</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3850','Tom'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3850','Tom','Send this link to others: http:\/\/Tinyurl.com\/BailoutTruth\n\nPresidential candidate Ralph Nader has a good video about the wall street bailout, I\'ll play you a short clip and also a clip of Chomsky talking about capitalism in the real world .\n\nNader is right, the bailout is yet another example of socialism for the rich which has been the game that\'s always been played.\n\nI recommend this CD of Noam Chomsky talking at Harvard in 96.\nChomsky explains that the free market theory sold to the public is just a fantasy. He shows how in the real world, different rules apply to the rich. the rich make sure they have  the nanny state to take care of themselves. We are being played for fools. Let\'s get the word out. Send this link to others: http:\/\/Tinyurl.com\/BailoutTruth'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think there is a common misconception about political donations. Obama perhaps for the first time has a massive donor base of ordinary folk who give small denominations. Simply looking at the totals from particular sectors doesn&#039;t represent this fact. The vast majority of Obama&#039;s money comes from ordinary employees who state their employer and their position for the FEC submissions. If you look a the positions of Obama&#039;s donors you&#039;ll see they are janitors, cleaners, receptionists, office workers, sales people, etc. These people do not have a say in the policies of the companies they work for. However if you look at McCain&#039;s submissions you will see the many chairmen, CEOs, CFOs, directors and federal lobbyists of the same companies. Obama certainly has had money from these people but if we&#039;re making comparisons then McCain receives vastly more in contributions from the leaders of some of these companies than Obama does.

(from the FEC/NYT)
G. T. Boisi, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $70,100, Obama $0
A. M. D&#039;Amato, former Senator, Freddie Mac lobbyist - McCain $30,800, Obama $0
W. M. Lewis, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $0, Obama $4600
H. M. Allison, President, Fannie Mae, former McCain (2000) finance director, McCain $0, Obama $2300
B. Gaines, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $0, Obama $2300
J. P. Kenney, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $2300, Obama $0
H. P. Swygert, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $1000
R. R. Glauber, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $0, Obama $1000
D. H. Mudd, outgoing President, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $0
J. C. Sites, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $0
L. Freeh, former FBI Director, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $200, Obama $0
29 lobbyists, others - McCain $63,500, Obama $4,800
Total McCain $169,000, Obama $16,000

I think if people don&#039;t look at this distinction then you basically come to the point where you&#039;d have to ban everyone with a job giving political donations just in case the candidate is smeared by an association with a company, even if it is only the janitor who donated.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3848&#039;,&#039;Doug&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3848&#039;,&#039;Doug&#039;,&#039;I still think there is a common misconception about political donations. Obama perhaps for the first time has a massive donor base of ordinary folk who give small denominations. Simply looking at the totals from particular sectors doesn\&#039;t represent this fact. The vast majority of Obama\&#039;s money comes from ordinary employees who state their employer and their position for the FEC submissions. If you look a the positions of Obama\&#039;s donors you\&#039;ll see they are janitors, cleaners, receptionists, office workers, sales people, etc. These people do not have a say in the policies of the companies they work for. However if you look at McCain\&#039;s submissions you will see the many chairmen, CEOs, CFOs, directors and federal lobbyists of the same companies. Obama certainly has had money from these people but if we\&#039;re making comparisons then McCain receives vastly more in contributions from the leaders of some of these companies than Obama does.\n\n(from the FEC\/NYT)\nG. T. Boisi, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $70,100, Obama $0\nA. M. D\&#039;Amato, former Senator, Freddie Mac lobbyist - McCain $30,800, Obama $0\nW. M. Lewis, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $0, Obama $4600\nH. M. Allison, President, Fannie Mae, former McCain (2000) finance director, McCain $0, Obama $2300\nB. Gaines, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $0, Obama $2300\nJ. P. Kenney, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $2300, Obama $0\nH. P. Swygert, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $1000\nR. R. Glauber, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $0, Obama $1000\nD. H. Mudd, outgoing President, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $0\nJ. C. Sites, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $0\nL. Freeh, former FBI Director, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $200, Obama $0\n29 lobbyists, others - McCain $63,500, Obama $4,800\nTotal McCain $169,000, Obama $16,000\n\nI think if people don\&#039;t look at this distinction then you basically come to the point where you\&#039;d have to ban everyone with a job giving political donations just in case the candidate is smeared by an association with a company, even if it is only the janitor who donated.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think there is a common misconception about political donations. Obama perhaps for the first time has a massive donor base of ordinary folk who give small denominations. Simply looking at the totals from particular sectors doesn&#8217;t represent this fact. The vast majority of Obama&#8217;s money comes from ordinary employees who state their employer and their position for the FEC submissions. If you look a the positions of Obama&#8217;s donors you&#8217;ll see they are janitors, cleaners, receptionists, office workers, sales people, etc. These people do not have a say in the policies of the companies they work for. However if you look at McCain&#8217;s submissions you will see the many chairmen, CEOs, CFOs, directors and federal lobbyists of the same companies. Obama certainly has had money from these people but if we&#8217;re making comparisons then McCain receives vastly more in contributions from the leaders of some of these companies than Obama does.</p>
<p>(from the FEC/NYT)<br />
G. T. Boisi, Director, Freddie Mac &#8211; McCain $70,100, Obama $0<br />
A. M. D&#8217;Amato, former Senator, Freddie Mac lobbyist &#8211; McCain $30,800, Obama $0<br />
W. M. Lewis, Director, Freddie Mac &#8211; McCain $0, Obama $4600<br />
H. M. Allison, President, Fannie Mae, former McCain (2000) finance director, McCain $0, Obama $2300<br />
B. Gaines, Director, Fannie Mae &#8211; McCain $0, Obama $2300<br />
J. P. Kenney, Director, Freddie Mac &#8211; McCain $2300, Obama $0<br />
H. P. Swygert, Director, Fannie Mae &#8211; McCain $1000, Obama $1000<br />
R. R. Glauber, Director, Freddie Mac &#8211; McCain $0, Obama $1000<br />
D. H. Mudd, outgoing President, Fannie Mae &#8211; McCain $1000, Obama $0<br />
J. C. Sites, Director, Fannie Mae &#8211; McCain $1000, Obama $0<br />
L. Freeh, former FBI Director, Director, Fannie Mae &#8211; McCain $200, Obama $0<br />
29 lobbyists, others &#8211; McCain $63,500, Obama $4,800<br />
Total McCain $169,000, Obama $16,000</p>
<p>I think if people don&#8217;t look at this distinction then you basically come to the point where you&#8217;d have to ban everyone with a job giving political donations just in case the candidate is smeared by an association with a company, even if it is only the janitor who donated.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3848','Doug'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3848','Doug','I still think there is a common misconception about political donations. Obama perhaps for the first time has a massive donor base of ordinary folk who give small denominations. Simply looking at the totals from particular sectors doesn\'t represent this fact. The vast majority of Obama\'s money comes from ordinary employees who state their employer and their position for the FEC submissions. If you look a the positions of Obama\'s donors you\'ll see they are janitors, cleaners, receptionists, office workers, sales people, etc. These people do not have a say in the policies of the companies they work for. However if you look at McCain\'s submissions you will see the many chairmen, CEOs, CFOs, directors and federal lobbyists of the same companies. Obama certainly has had money from these people but if we\'re making comparisons then McCain receives vastly more in contributions from the leaders of some of these companies than Obama does.\n\n(from the FEC\/NYT)\nG. T. Boisi, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $70,100, Obama $0\nA. M. D\'Amato, former Senator, Freddie Mac lobbyist - McCain $30,800, Obama $0\nW. M. Lewis, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $0, Obama $4600\nH. M. Allison, President, Fannie Mae, former McCain (2000) finance director, McCain $0, Obama $2300\nB. Gaines, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $0, Obama $2300\nJ. P. Kenney, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $2300, Obama $0\nH. P. Swygert, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $1000\nR. R. Glauber, Director, Freddie Mac - McCain $0, Obama $1000\nD. H. Mudd, outgoing President, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $0\nJ. C. Sites, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $1000, Obama $0\nL. Freeh, former FBI Director, Director, Fannie Mae - McCain $200, Obama $0\n29 lobbyists, others - McCain $63,500, Obama $4,800\nTotal McCain $169,000, Obama $16,000\n\nI think if people don\'t look at this distinction then you basically come to the point where you\'d have to ban everyone with a job giving political donations just in case the candidate is smeared by an association with a company, even if it is only the janitor who donated.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bedd and Doug, apologies for giving the impression that Freddie and Fannie would be receiving this $700 billion, as you are right to say this bailout is not specifically aimed at them.

However, this post is about one set of firms and the scale of financial &#039;support&#039; they have given to the people now charged with bailing out their economic sector - and my underlying point is that this is clearly not a &#039;one off&#039; and this is just one small part of the donations that have been received from organisations right in the thick of this mess.

For example, Obama and McCain have both received over $22 million from finance / insurance / real estate &#039;donations&#039; during their 2008 campaign, and you&#039;re trying to tell me that has nothing to do with their support of this bailout and will not influence them one bit?  Please.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2008&amp;ind=F

Dig around the Open Secrets blog and you&#039;ll see that my point is entirely vindicated almost everywhere you look.  For example, the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act reveals that campaign contributions &quot;may have influenced the votes of politicians who, a decade later, are now grappling with the implosion of the giant banks they helped to foster.&quot;  Those members of Congress who supported lifting Depression-era restrictions on commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies received more than twice as much money from those interests than did those lawmakers who opposed the measure:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/money-and-votes-aligned-in-con.html

I&#039;m happy to accept that my post only touches the tip of the financial iceberg that the US economy has already crashed into, but if you think that Dodd and co. are showing all their cards then you are clearly mistaken.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3845&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3845&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;,&#039;Bedd and Doug, apologies for giving the impression that Freddie and Fannie would be receiving this $700 billion, as you are right to say this bailout is not specifically aimed at them.\n\nHowever, this post is about one set of firms and the scale of financial \&#039;support\&#039; they have given to the people now charged with bailing out their economic sector - and my underlying point is that this is clearly not a \&#039;one off\&#039; and this is just one small part of the donations that have been received from organisations right in the thick of this mess.\n\nFor example, Obama and McCain have both received over $22 million from finance \/ insurance \/ real estate \&#039;donations\&#039; during their 2008 campaign, and you\&#039;re trying to tell me that has nothing to do with their support of this bailout and will not influence them one bit?  Please.\n\nhttp:\/\/www.opensecrets.org\/industries\/recips.php?cycle=2008&amp;ind=F\n\nDig around the Open Secrets blog and you\&#039;ll see that my point is entirely vindicated almost everywhere you look.  For example, the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act reveals that campaign contributions \&quot;may have influenced the votes of politicians who, a decade later, are now grappling with the implosion of the giant banks they helped to foster.\&quot;  Those members of Congress who supported lifting Depression-era restrictions on commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies received more than twice as much money from those interests than did those lawmakers who opposed the measure:\n\nhttp:\/\/www.opensecrets.org\/news\/2008\/09\/money-and-votes-aligned-in-con.html\n\nI\&#039;m happy to accept that my post only touches the tip of the financial iceberg that the US economy has already crashed into, but if you think that Dodd and co. are showing all their cards then you are clearly mistaken.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bedd and Doug, apologies for giving the impression that Freddie and Fannie would be receiving this $700 billion, as you are right to say this bailout is not specifically aimed at them.</p>
<p>However, this post is about one set of firms and the scale of financial &#8217;support&#8217; they have given to the people now charged with bailing out their economic sector &#8211; and my underlying point is that this is clearly not a &#8216;one off&#8217; and this is just one small part of the donations that have been received from organisations right in the thick of this mess.</p>
<p>For example, Obama and McCain have both received over $22 million from finance / insurance / real estate &#8216;donations&#8217; during their 2008 campaign, and you&#8217;re trying to tell me that has nothing to do with their support of this bailout and will not influence them one bit?  Please.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2008&amp;ind=F" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2008&amp;ind=F</a></p>
<p>Dig around the Open Secrets blog and you&#8217;ll see that my point is entirely vindicated almost everywhere you look.  For example, the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act reveals that campaign contributions &#8220;may have influenced the votes of politicians who, a decade later, are now grappling with the implosion of the giant banks they helped to foster.&#8221;  Those members of Congress who supported lifting Depression-era restrictions on commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies received more than twice as much money from those interests than did those lawmakers who opposed the measure:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/money-and-votes-aligned-in-con.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/money-and-votes-aligned-in-con.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to accept that my post only touches the tip of the financial iceberg that the US economy has already crashed into, but if you think that Dodd and co. are showing all their cards then you are clearly mistaken.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3845','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3845','Letters From A Tory','Bedd and Doug, apologies for giving the impression that Freddie and Fannie would be receiving this $700 billion, as you are right to say this bailout is not specifically aimed at them.\n\nHowever, this post is about one set of firms and the scale of financial \'support\' they have given to the people now charged with bailing out their economic sector - and my underlying point is that this is clearly not a \'one off\' and this is just one small part of the donations that have been received from organisations right in the thick of this mess.\n\nFor example, Obama and McCain have both received over $22 million from finance \/ insurance \/ real estate \'donations\' during their 2008 campaign, and you\'re trying to tell me that has nothing to do with their support of this bailout and will not influence them one bit?  Please.\n\nhttp:\/\/www.opensecrets.org\/industries\/recips.php?cycle=2008&amp;amp;ind=F\n\nDig around the Open Secrets blog and you\'ll see that my point is entirely vindicated almost everywhere you look.  For example, the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act reveals that campaign contributions \&quot;may have influenced the votes of politicians who, a decade later, are now grappling with the implosion of the giant banks they helped to foster.\&quot;  Those members of Congress who supported lifting Depression-era restrictions on commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies received more than twice as much money from those interests than did those lawmakers who opposed the measure:\n\nhttp:\/\/www.opensecrets.org\/news\/2008\/09\/money-and-votes-aligned-in-con.html\n\nI\'m happy to accept that my post only touches the tip of the financial iceberg that the US economy has already crashed into, but if you think that Dodd and co. are showing all their cards then you are clearly mistaken.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have to do with the $700bn bailout? Answer - nothing. Fannie and Freddie are done, that money has gone already.  McCain has had $116,000 from Fannie and Freddie&#039;s directors and federal lobbyists. Whereas Obama&#039;s money has come from the ordinary employees of Freddie and Fannie in small denominations as the FEC filings show (freely available to search on the web). The Mervyn King comparison has absolutely no relevance at all. You&#039;d have to be talking about Ben Bernanke compared to Mervyn King. Dodds analogy would probably be to John McFall chairman of the Treasury select committee, though he has no real power. However that is beside the point because this is how the US system works. Just about every politician on every committee receives money from groups that have interests covered by the committees and their members. Make a case for the whole system being corrupt but don&#039;t single out Dodd when on the scale of US political corruption he is one of the least corrupt politicians and a good man and public servant to boot IMO. The only thing that changed between the agreement between Bush, Democrats and the GOP on the modified bill and it all falling apart was the arrival of McCain. He deliberately spiked the whole thing so that he could showboat after his suspension stunt. Paulson&#039;s plan was vague amounting to only 3 pages but the day after Dodd brought out his proposed bill which was 44 pages long including among other things judicial and legislative oversight as well as staggering the money as needed - currently bill is only giving $350bn and holding the rest in reserve should Paulson make a case for the extra money.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3847&#039;,&#039;Doug&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3847&#039;,&#039;Doug&#039;,&#039;What does Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have to do with the $700bn bailout? Answer - nothing. Fannie and Freddie are done, that money has gone already.  McCain has had $116,000 from Fannie and Freddie\&#039;s directors and federal lobbyists. Whereas Obama\&#039;s money has come from the ordinary employees of Freddie and Fannie in small denominations as the FEC filings show (freely available to search on the web). The Mervyn King comparison has absolutely no relevance at all. You\&#039;d have to be talking about Ben Bernanke compared to Mervyn King. Dodds analogy would probably be to John McFall chairman of the Treasury select committee, though he has no real power. However that is beside the point because this is how the US system works. Just about every politician on every committee receives money from groups that have interests covered by the committees and their members. Make a case for the whole system being corrupt but don\&#039;t single out Dodd when on the scale of US political corruption he is one of the least corrupt politicians and a good man and public servant to boot IMO. The only thing that changed between the agreement between Bush, Democrats and the GOP on the modified bill and it all falling apart was the arrival of McCain. He deliberately spiked the whole thing so that he could showboat after his suspension stunt. Paulson\&#039;s plan was vague amounting to only 3 pages but the day after Dodd brought out his proposed bill which was 44 pages long including among other things judicial and legislative oversight as well as staggering the money as needed - currently bill is only giving $350bn and holding the rest in reserve should Paulson make a case for the extra money.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have to do with the $700bn bailout? Answer &#8211; nothing. Fannie and Freddie are done, that money has gone already.  McCain has had $116,000 from Fannie and Freddie&#8217;s directors and federal lobbyists. Whereas Obama&#8217;s money has come from the ordinary employees of Freddie and Fannie in small denominations as the FEC filings show (freely available to search on the web). The Mervyn King comparison has absolutely no relevance at all. You&#8217;d have to be talking about Ben Bernanke compared to Mervyn King. Dodds analogy would probably be to John McFall chairman of the Treasury select committee, though he has no real power. However that is beside the point because this is how the US system works. Just about every politician on every committee receives money from groups that have interests covered by the committees and their members. Make a case for the whole system being corrupt but don&#8217;t single out Dodd when on the scale of US political corruption he is one of the least corrupt politicians and a good man and public servant to boot IMO. The only thing that changed between the agreement between Bush, Democrats and the GOP on the modified bill and it all falling apart was the arrival of McCain. He deliberately spiked the whole thing so that he could showboat after his suspension stunt. Paulson&#8217;s plan was vague amounting to only 3 pages but the day after Dodd brought out his proposed bill which was 44 pages long including among other things judicial and legislative oversight as well as staggering the money as needed &#8211; currently bill is only giving $350bn and holding the rest in reserve should Paulson make a case for the extra money.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3847','Doug'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3847','Doug','What does Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have to do with the $700bn bailout? Answer - nothing. Fannie and Freddie are done, that money has gone already.  McCain has had $116,000 from Fannie and Freddie\'s directors and federal lobbyists. Whereas Obama\'s money has come from the ordinary employees of Freddie and Fannie in small denominations as the FEC filings show (freely available to search on the web). The Mervyn King comparison has absolutely no relevance at all. You\'d have to be talking about Ben Bernanke compared to Mervyn King. Dodds analogy would probably be to John McFall chairman of the Treasury select committee, though he has no real power. However that is beside the point because this is how the US system works. Just about every politician on every committee receives money from groups that have interests covered by the committees and their members. Make a case for the whole system being corrupt but don\'t single out Dodd when on the scale of US political corruption he is one of the least corrupt politicians and a good man and public servant to boot IMO. The only thing that changed between the agreement between Bush, Democrats and the GOP on the modified bill and it all falling apart was the arrival of McCain. He deliberately spiked the whole thing so that he could showboat after his suspension stunt. Paulson\'s plan was vague amounting to only 3 pages but the day after Dodd brought out his proposed bill which was 44 pages long including among other things judicial and legislative oversight as well as staggering the money as needed - currently bill is only giving $350bn and holding the rest in reserve should Paulson make a case for the extra money.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Bedd Gelert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bedd Gelert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.. Post now resubmitted with slightly less &#8216;industrial&#8217; language..</p>
<p>Some good points, but the $ 700 bn is surely related to â€˜public limited corporationsâ€™, and NOT the now state-backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ?</p>
<p>Or does the fact that FM*2 were â€˜corporationsâ€™ before â€˜conservatorshipâ€™ kicked in, means that they are involved in the bailout ?? Maybe Iâ€™m being thick, but I thought the whole point of, in effect, taking FM*2 in public ownership was to draw a line under that problem.</p>
<p>And when that wasnâ€™t enough, they had to come up with ANOTHER plan to sort out â€˜the restâ€™ of the problem ?? Maybe that is not the case, and I donâ€™t resile from your view that this is a &#8216;foul-up&#8217; of the first degree by these people on the Senate Banking Committe, but I think you may be firing your ammo at the wrong person.</p>
<p>The real villain of the piece for me is Phil Gramm who championed the reckless rush to de-regulate, which is now coming back to bite the Americans on the &#8216;derriere&#8217;. .
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3846','Bedd Gelert'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3846','Bedd Gelert','Oops.. Post now resubmitted with slightly less \'industrial\' language..\n\nSome good points, but the $ 700 bn is surely related to &acirc;€˜public limited corporations&acirc;€™, and NOT the now state-backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ?\n\nOr does the fact that FM*2 were &acirc;€˜corporations&acirc;€™ before &acirc;€˜conservatorship&acirc;€™ kicked in, means that they are involved in the bailout ?? Maybe I&acirc;€™m being thick, but I thought the whole point of, in effect, taking FM*2 in public ownership was to draw a line under that problem.\n\nAnd when that wasn&acirc;€™t enough, they had to come up with ANOTHER plan to sort out &acirc;€˜the rest&acirc;€™ of the problem ?? Maybe that is not the case, and I don&acirc;€™t resile from your view that this is a \'foul-up\' of the first degree by these people on the Senate Banking Committe, but I think you may be firing your ammo at the wrong person.\n\nThe real villain of the piece for me is Phil Gramm who championed the reckless rush to de-regulate, which is now coming back to bite the Americans on the \'derriere\'. .'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: newmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your best post so far , brilliant ,and there was I wondering if you were losing  your mojo a bit .<br />
&#8220;This whole saga is playing into the Leftâ€™s hands, which is why McCain is desperate to talk about a cross-party consensus to prevent Obama from having a field day&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes and here too it is exceedingly important that we do not stop a silly and dangerous slide into protectinism and  a new Nationalisation disaster. This is precisely where the British Conservative Party has been at its best  moderating the  mood  of the  day with its  instinct that  in any system there is value and we should keep it .It is just as possible to interpret this problem and due to over regulation and  unreal markets as to free markets systems .</p>
<p>Anyway great stuff  Bravo
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3844','newmania'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3844','newmania','Your best post so far , brilliant ,and there was I wondering if you were losing  your mojo a bit .\n\&quot;This whole saga is playing into the Left&acirc;€™s hands, which is why McCain is desperate to talk about a cross-party consensus to prevent Obama from having a field day\&quot;\n\nYes and here too it is exceedingly important that we do not stop a silly and dangerous slide into protectinism and  a new Nationalisation disaster. This is precisely where the British Conservative Party has been at its best  moderating the  mood  of the  day with its  instinct that  in any system there is value and we should keep it .It is just as possible to interpret this problem and due to over regulation and  unreal markets as to free markets systems .\n\nAnyway great stuff  Bravo'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Nich Starling -Norfolk Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nich Starling -Norfolk Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent stuff. This is why you are essential reading.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3843&#039;,&#039;Nich Starling -Norfolk Blogger&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3843&#039;,&#039;Nich Starling -Norfolk Blogger&#039;,&#039;Excellent stuff. This is why you are essential reading.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent stuff. This is why you are essential reading.
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		<title>By: norulesriders</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is the biggest rip off in the history of the USA
They say if we don&#039;t bail them (who every that is) out then we will hit rock bottm. Hell, I been at rock bottom. And you know what, when your at rock bottom you have something to stand on. And when you have something to stand on then you can stand up and make something for yourself.
NO HAND OUT
NO BAIL OUT
How about a free market? Is a free market a new idea? I just don&#039;t get it.
Mad as hell about government and it giving away my hard earned money.
Mike&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3842&#039;,&#039;norulesriders&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3842&#039;,&#039;norulesriders&#039;,&#039;I think this is the biggest rip off in the history of the USA\nThey say if we don\&#039;t bail them (who every that is) out then we will hit rock bottm. Hell, I been at rock bottom. And you know what, when your at rock bottom you have something to stand on. And when you have something to stand on then you can stand up and make something for yourself.\nNO HAND OUT\nNO BAIL OUT\nHow about a free market? Is a free market a new idea? I just don\&#039;t get it.\nMad as hell about government and it giving away my hard earned money.\nMike&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is the biggest rip off in the history of the USA<br />
They say if we don&#8217;t bail them (who every that is) out then we will hit rock bottm. Hell, I been at rock bottom. And you know what, when your at rock bottom you have something to stand on. And when you have something to stand on then you can stand up and make something for yourself.<br />
NO HAND OUT<br />
NO BAIL OUT<br />
How about a free market? Is a free market a new idea? I just don&#8217;t get it.<br />
Mad as hell about government and it giving away my hard earned money.<br />
Mike
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, I agree that the sums may not appear vast, but these are just donations from two organisations - don&#039;t you start to wonder how many more similar &#039;donations&#039; have been made?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3841&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3841&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;,&#039;Phil, I agree that the sums may not appear vast, but these are just donations from two organisations - don\&#039;t you start to wonder how many more similar \&#039;donations\&#039; have been made?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I agree that the sums may not appear vast, but these are just donations from two organisations &#8211; don&#8217;t you start to wonder how many more similar &#8216;donations&#8217; have been made?
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