Comments on: Sex offender plans will not and cannot work http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/ Daily views on British politics and the Conservative Party from a centre-right thinker who writes letters on his blog to politicians, journalists and many others. Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:06:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Paula http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3686 Paula Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:28:51 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3686 There will always be pros and cons to every scheme that is concocted. And I believe that with this issue, we all really have to think things through and see which would benefit people better.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3686','Paula'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3686','Paula','There will always be pros and cons to every scheme that is concocted. And I believe that with this issue, we all really have to think things through and see which would benefit people better.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> There will always be pros and cons to every scheme that is concocted. And I believe that with this issue, we all really have to think things through and see which would benefit people better.
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]]> By: JuliaM http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3685 JuliaM Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:39:38 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3685 “mainly thanks to the blogger (whose identity I can’t remember, sadly) who pointed out that he had never heard of a single instance of a paedophile commiting an offence in sight of a uniformed police officer.”

That’ll be the one and only Dumb Jon.

The lengths some paedophile rings go to to help and support others in evading capture proves the point quite nicely.

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]]> By: patently http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3684 patently Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:46:56 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3684 Sorry, I don't buy this "It's not their fault, they're ill" line. It's partly because it is applied to such a wide range of people, be they paedophiles, alcoholics or fatties. However, it is mainly thanks to the blogger (whose identity I can't remember, sadly) who pointed out that he had never heard of a single instance of a paedophile commiting an offence in sight of a uniformed police officer. Hence, he reasoned, they are evidently able to control themselves when they want to. Likewise, I (personally) am quite greedy and quite acquisitive. There are, nevertheless, many attractive and expensive things that I do not have but would like to. Despite this, I manage to keep my theft-related fantasies in an entirely hypothetical form. It is, simply, a question of self-control; if those who can't exercise it want to plead that they are ill, then they belong in Broadmoor for life.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3684','patently'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3684','patently','Sorry, I don\'t buy this \"It\'s not their fault, they\'re ill\" line.\n\nIt\'s partly because it is applied to such a wide range of people, be they paedophiles, alcoholics or fatties. However, it is mainly thanks to the blogger (whose identity I can\'t remember, sadly) who pointed out that he had never heard of a single instance of a paedophile commiting an offence in sight of a uniformed police officer. Hence, he reasoned, they are evidently able to control themselves when they want to.\n\nLikewise, I (personally) am quite greedy and quite acquisitive. There are, nevertheless, many attractive and expensive things that I do not have but would like to. Despite this, I manage to keep my theft-related fantasies in an entirely hypothetical form.\n\nIt is, simply, a question of self-control; if those who can\'t exercise it want to plead that they are ill, then they belong in Broadmoor for life.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Sorry, I don’t buy this “It’s not their fault, they’re ill” line.

It’s partly because it is applied to such a wide range of people, be they paedophiles, alcoholics or fatties. However, it is mainly thanks to the blogger (whose identity I can’t remember, sadly) who pointed out that he had never heard of a single instance of a paedophile commiting an offence in sight of a uniformed police officer. Hence, he reasoned, they are evidently able to control themselves when they want to.

Likewise, I (personally) am quite greedy and quite acquisitive. There are, nevertheless, many attractive and expensive things that I do not have but would like to. Despite this, I manage to keep my theft-related fantasies in an entirely hypothetical form.

It is, simply, a question of self-control; if those who can’t exercise it want to plead that they are ill, then they belong in Broadmoor for life.

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]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3683 Letters From A Tory Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:31:00 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3683 Candid, please do not tarnish the Sith name by associating them with Jacqui Smith - dark Jedi Knights are far too cool for Labour. Asquith, the only problem is that there isn't an objective way to assess 'desire'. If there was a test for it, our lives would be so much easier. Subjective questioning would be useful but science hasn't figured out another way of assessing their mental state so trying to work out if they are still a danger is incredibly difficult, if not impossible.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3683','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3683','Letters From A Tory','Candid, please do not tarnish the Sith name by associating them with Jacqui Smith - dark Jedi Knights are far too cool for Labour.\n\nAsquith, the only problem is that there isn\'t an objective way to assess \'desire\'. If there was a test for it, our lives would be so much easier. Subjective questioning would be useful but science hasn\'t figured out another way of assessing their mental state so trying to work out if they are still a danger is incredibly difficult, if not impossible.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Candid, please do not tarnish the Sith name by associating them with Jacqui Smith – dark Jedi Knights are far too cool for Labour.

Asquith, the only problem is that there isn’t an objective way to assess ‘desire’. If there was a test for it, our lives would be so much easier. Subjective questioning would be useful but science hasn’t figured out another way of assessing their mental state so trying to work out if they are still a danger is incredibly difficult, if not impossible.

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]]> By: asquith http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3682 asquith Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:57:19 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3682 It's hard to tell, since they seem to have a lifelong condition which may flare up. Some of them are aware that acting on their desires would be wrong & want help overcoming them.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3682','asquith'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3682','asquith','It\'s hard to tell, since they seem to have a lifelong condition which may flare up. Some of them are aware that acting on their desires would be wrong & want help overcoming them.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> It’s hard to tell, since they seem to have a lifelong condition which may flare up. Some of them are aware that acting on their desires would be wrong & want help overcoming them.
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]]> By: Candid http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3681 Candid Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:56:50 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3681 Just a small aside from the seriousness of the implications of this ludicrous idea. As you said Jacqui Smith may have to remove MP from her name in the not too distant future. Well I can't find a P but if you remove the M from Smith- it might explain why she is still in power, as it were!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3681','Candid'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3681','Candid','Just a small aside from the seriousness of the implications of this ludicrous idea. As you said Jacqui Smith may have to remove MP from her name in the not too distant future.\n\nWell I can\'t find a P but if you remove the M from Smith- it might explain why she is still in power, as it were!'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Just a small aside from the seriousness of the implications of this ludicrous idea. As you said Jacqui Smith may have to remove MP from her name in the not too distant future.

Well I can’t find a P but if you remove the M from Smith- it might explain why she is still in power, as it were!

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]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3680 Letters From A Tory Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:55:04 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3680 But, like I said, how do you judge if a sex offender is "fully rehabilitated"?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3680','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3680','Letters From A Tory','But, like I said, how do you judge if a sex offender is \"fully rehabilitated\"?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> But, like I said, how do you judge if a sex offender is “fully rehabilitated”?
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]]> By: asquith http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3679 asquith Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:45:19 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3679 I am not sure whether these people are to blame for their lusts: perhaps they are not. But they shouldn't be at large. It enrages me when an abuse takes place & they say the police are seeking "known paedophiles" in the area. What are they doing walking the streets? Whether it be in prison or in a mental home, anyone of any variety who is an offender not fully rehabilitated should be kept away from us. In that case, the innocents who are mistakenly on the register might not get such a hard time. As with ID cards, we shouldn't have to suffer for the actions committed by offenders.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3679','asquith'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3679','asquith','I am not sure whether these people are to blame for their lusts: perhaps they are not. But they shouldn\'t be at large. It enrages me when an abuse takes place & they say the police are seeking \"known paedophiles\" in the area. What are they doing walking the streets? Whether it be in prison or in a mental home, anyone of any variety who is an offender not fully rehabilitated should be kept away from us.\n\nIn that case, the innocents who are mistakenly on the register might not get such a hard time.\n\nAs with ID cards, we shouldn\'t have to suffer for the actions committed by offenders.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> I am not sure whether these people are to blame for their lusts: perhaps they are not. But they shouldn’t be at large. It enrages me when an abuse takes place & they say the police are seeking “known paedophiles” in the area. What are they doing walking the streets? Whether it be in prison or in a mental home, anyone of any variety who is an offender not fully rehabilitated should be kept away from us.

In that case, the innocents who are mistakenly on the register might not get such a hard time.

As with ID cards, we shouldn’t have to suffer for the actions committed by offenders.

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]]> By: newmania http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3678 newmania Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:38:38 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3678 Actually re-reading LFATs post he makes it quite clear that you might not have ever been convicted of anything .That is a worry, and I can well imagine how such an accusation might be maliciously made For convicted fiddlers however I cannot see the problem with the emotively termed' chemical castration' or , come to think of it , the much maligned 'Cutting their genitals off with a rusty spoon'.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3678','newmania'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3678','newmania','Actually re-reading LFATs post he makes it quite clear that you might not have ever been convicted of anything .That is a worry, and I can well imagine how such an accusation might be maliciously made\nFor convicted fiddlers however I cannot see the problem with the emotively termed\' chemical castration\' or , come to think of it , the much maligned \'Cutting their genitals off with a rusty spoon\'.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Actually re-reading LFATs post he makes it quite clear that you might not have ever been convicted of anything .That is a worry, and I can well imagine how such an accusation might be maliciously made
For convicted fiddlers however I cannot see the problem with the emotively termed’ chemical castration’ or , come to think of it , the much maligned ‘Cutting their genitals off with a rusty spoon’.
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]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/09/15/sex-offender-plans-will-not-and-cannot-work/#comment-3677 Letters From A Tory Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:09:56 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=1100#comment-3677 Indeed. Innocent people having accusations kept on file cannot be tolerated. We are damning innocent individuals to a life of being labelled a child abuser and if Jacqui Smith goes ahead with this, innocent people might end up getting hurt - literally. From the research I've seen, no-one has yet found a way of 'curing' sex offenders, making the issue of releasing them at all a very contentious one seeing as they necessarily pose a risk to the public. Whether or not the prison system can therefore cope with these people is a massive concern of mine.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3677','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3677','Letters From A Tory','Indeed. Innocent people having accusations kept on file cannot be tolerated. We are damning innocent individuals to a life of being labelled a child abuser and if Jacqui Smith goes ahead with this, innocent people might end up getting hurt - literally.\n\nFrom the research I\'ve seen, no-one has yet found a way of \'curing\' sex offenders, making the issue of releasing them at all a very contentious one seeing as they necessarily pose a risk to the public. Whether or not the prison system can therefore cope with these people is a massive concern of mine.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Indeed. Innocent people having accusations kept on file cannot be tolerated. We are damning innocent individuals to a life of being labelled a child abuser and if Jacqui Smith goes ahead with this, innocent people might end up getting hurt – literally.

From the research I’ve seen, no-one has yet found a way of ‘curing’ sex offenders, making the issue of releasing them at all a very contentious one seeing as they necessarily pose a risk to the public. Whether or not the prison system can therefore cope with these people is a massive concern of mine.

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