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		<title>By: Will Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/06/10/mccain-is-a-dirty-old-man/#comment-2440</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Turtle John isn&#039;t a conservative - he is a nothing.

He spouts all the rhetoric of a person so desperate for power he could be Hillary Clinton!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2440&#039;,&#039;Will Rhodes&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2440&#039;,&#039;Will Rhodes&#039;,&#039;But Turtle John isn\&#039;t a conservative - he is a nothing.\n\nHe spouts all the rhetoric of a person so desperate for power he could be Hillary Clinton!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Turtle John isn&#8217;t a conservative &#8211; he is a nothing.</p>
<p>He spouts all the rhetoric of a person so desperate for power he could be Hillary Clinton!
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Stu&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2439&#039;,&#039;marvin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2439&#039;,&#039;marvin&#039;,&#039;I agree with you Stu&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Stu
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the Republicans as natural allies of the Tories - in fact I think that popular association to be damaging now. The Republicans are increasingly seen as the party of the Bible Belt, of the rednecks and of the warmongers.

In terms of the British political spectrum, Democrats and Republicans seem to be Right and Righter. At the current moment, I think Obama&#039;s policies are actually closer to Cameron&#039;s than they at first appear, since they begin from such different points. If Cameron shrinks our state and lowers our taxes (eventually), and Obama grows the US state and raises their taxes (eventually), we&#039;d probably end up meeting somewhere in the middle.

Of course, there are natural ideological disagreements between Conservatives and Democrats, just as there are between Labour and Democrats and between Conservatives and Republicans, but my gut feeling is that Gordon Brown&#039;s Labour, with it&#039;s ever-more-noticeable socialist leanings, is to the left of &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; American party, while Cameron sits somewhere between the two.

Of course, I&#039;m not yet a fully versed student of American &lt;em&gt;or&lt;/em&gt; British politics. I&#039;m just saying it as I&#039;m seeing it.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2438&#039;,&#039;Stu&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2438&#039;,&#039;Stu&#039;,&#039;I don\&#039;t see the Republicans as natural allies of the Tories - in fact I think that popular association to be damaging now. The Republicans are increasingly seen as the party of the Bible Belt, of the rednecks and of the warmongers.\n\nIn terms of the British political spectrum, Democrats and Republicans seem to be Right and Righter. At the current moment, I think Obama\&#039;s policies are actually closer to Cameron\&#039;s than they at first appear, since they begin from such different points. If Cameron shrinks our state and lowers our taxes (eventually), and Obama grows the US state and raises their taxes (eventually), we\&#039;d probably end up meeting somewhere in the middle.\n\nOf course, there are natural ideological disagreements between Conservatives and Democrats, just as there are between Labour and Democrats and between Conservatives and Republicans, but my gut feeling is that Gordon Brown\&#039;s Labour, with it\&#039;s ever-more-noticeable socialist leanings, is to the left of &lt;em&gt;any&lt;\/em&gt; American party, while Cameron sits somewhere between the two.\n\nOf course, I\&#039;m not yet a fully versed student of American &lt;em&gt;or&lt;\/em&gt; British politics. I\&#039;m just saying it as I\&#039;m seeing it.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see the Republicans as natural allies of the Tories &#8211; in fact I think that popular association to be damaging now. The Republicans are increasingly seen as the party of the Bible Belt, of the rednecks and of the warmongers.</p>
<p>In terms of the British political spectrum, Democrats and Republicans seem to be Right and Righter. At the current moment, I think Obama&#8217;s policies are actually closer to Cameron&#8217;s than they at first appear, since they begin from such different points. If Cameron shrinks our state and lowers our taxes (eventually), and Obama grows the US state and raises their taxes (eventually), we&#8217;d probably end up meeting somewhere in the middle.</p>
<p>Of course, there are natural ideological disagreements between Conservatives and Democrats, just as there are between Labour and Democrats and between Conservatives and Republicans, but my gut feeling is that Gordon Brown&#8217;s Labour, with it&#8217;s ever-more-noticeable socialist leanings, is to the left of <em>any</em> American party, while Cameron sits somewhere between the two.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m not yet a fully versed student of American <em>or</em> British politics. I&#8217;m just saying it as I&#8217;m seeing it.
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/06/10/mccain-is-a-dirty-old-man/#comment-2437</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s a pretty poor field all round. But I&#039;d take McCain over Mr Empty Suit if I was an American...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2437&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2437&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;,&#039;Yeah, it\&#039;s a pretty poor field all round. But I\&#039;d take McCain over Mr Empty Suit if I was an American...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s a pretty poor field all round. But I&#8217;d take McCain over Mr Empty Suit if I was an American&#8230;
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now now, JuliaM.  McCain is just as vulnerable as Obama, thanks to his ridiculous policies and gung-ho attitude to diplomacy.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2436&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2436&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;,&#039;Now now, JuliaM.  McCain is just as vulnerable as Obama, thanks to his ridiculous policies and gung-ho attitude to diplomacy.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now now, JuliaM.  McCain is just as vulnerable as Obama, thanks to his ridiculous policies and gung-ho attitude to diplomacy.
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I suspect Obama is finding his feet...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

if he is, it&#039;s only so he can put a bullet in them... :)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2435&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2435&#039;,&#039;JuliaM&#039;,&#039;&lt;i&gt;\&quot;I suspect Obama is finding his feet...\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt;\n\nif he is, it\&#039;s only so he can put a bullet in them... :)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I suspect Obama is finding his feet&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>if he is, it&#8217;s only so he can put a bullet in them&#8230; <img src='http://www.lettersfromatory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: asquith</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Obama is finding his feet, but then  so am I (that should be obvious from reading my spewings) and it&#039;s certainly possible that he will make a good president. His early mistakes shouldn&#039;t be held against him, imho.

Obama and Cameron might make an interesting duo. People wouldn&#039;t have said &quot;Obama and Howard&quot;, would they? But the Tories are moving from what seems to have been their flirtation with neoconservatism, and becoming a force to represent the real conservative elements in this country.  Not that I&#039;m one of them, but still :)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2432&#039;,&#039;asquith&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2432&#039;,&#039;asquith&#039;,&#039;I suspect Obama is finding his feet, but then  so am I (that should be obvious from reading my spewings) and it\&#039;s certainly possible that he will make a good president. His early mistakes shouldn\&#039;t be held against him, imho.\n\nObama and Cameron might make an interesting duo. People wouldn\&#039;t have said \&quot;Obama and Howard\&quot;, would they? But the Tories are moving from what seems to have been their flirtation with neoconservatism, and becoming a force to represent the real conservative elements in this country.  Not that I\&#039;m one of them, but still :)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Obama is finding his feet, but then  so am I (that should be obvious from reading my spewings) and it&#8217;s certainly possible that he will make a good president. His early mistakes shouldn&#8217;t be held against him, imho.</p>
<p>Obama and Cameron might make an interesting duo. People wouldn&#8217;t have said &#8220;Obama and Howard&#8221;, would they? But the Tories are moving from what seems to have been their flirtation with neoconservatism, and becoming a force to represent the real conservative elements in this country.  Not that I&#8217;m one of them, but still <img src='http://www.lettersfromatory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right there with you.  This whole &#039;conservatives together&#039; rubbish ignores the reality of how different American and English conservatism really is, but the natural instinct of a lot of Conservatives I know was to support the war and still to support military action in the Middle East - something that I find extremely frustrating.

I don&#039;t want to have anything to do with American conservatives as they are right now, because in my opinion they are obsessed with military action, have lost control of the biggest economy in the world through complete mismanagement and profligacy and offer little or no solutions on the domestic or international agenda to some really serious problems.

I think Cameron and Obama could offer a very different view of the world than Cameron and McCain.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2434&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2434&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;,&#039;Right there with you.  This whole \&#039;conservatives together\&#039; rubbish ignores the reality of how different American and English conservatism really is, but the natural instinct of a lot of Conservatives I know was to support the war and still to support military action in the Middle East - something that I find extremely frustrating.\n\nI don\&#039;t want to have anything to do with American conservatives as they are right now, because in my opinion they are obsessed with military action, have lost control of the biggest economy in the world through complete mismanagement and profligacy and offer little or no solutions on the domestic or international agenda to some really serious problems.\n\nI think Cameron and Obama could offer a very different view of the world than Cameron and McCain.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right there with you.  This whole &#8216;conservatives together&#8217; rubbish ignores the reality of how different American and English conservatism really is, but the natural instinct of a lot of Conservatives I know was to support the war and still to support military action in the Middle East &#8211; something that I find extremely frustrating.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to have anything to do with American conservatives as they are right now, because in my opinion they are obsessed with military action, have lost control of the biggest economy in the world through complete mismanagement and profligacy and offer little or no solutions on the domestic or international agenda to some really serious problems.</p>
<p>I think Cameron and Obama could offer a very different view of the world than Cameron and McCain.
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		<title>By: asquith</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Tories should realise, and are realising, that the US Republicans are not their natural allies. While I have a great deal of respect for Tory England at its best, the US &quot;right&quot; in all its forms fills me with horror. It was a terrible mistake to support the government over Iraq, when the natural instincts of Conservatives were against it.

I recall Michael Gove asserting that as a &quot;right-wing polemicist&quot; he admired Blair. But if he were a Tory, which he appears not to be, he&#039;d be repelled by Blair in general &amp; his Iraq policy in particular, as liberals were.

There is a potential for a non-ideological party of the right, which disowns neoconservatism, to establish itself in America. But it will still be far away from what natural Tories are thinking.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2433&#039;,&#039;asquith&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2433&#039;,&#039;asquith&#039;,&#039;I think the Tories should realise, and are realising, that the US Republicans are not their natural allies. While I have a great deal of respect for Tory England at its best, the US \&quot;right\&quot; in all its forms fills me with horror. It was a terrible mistake to support the government over Iraq, when the natural instincts of Conservatives were against it.\n\nI recall Michael Gove asserting that as a \&quot;right-wing polemicist\&quot; he admired Blair. But if he were a Tory, which he appears not to be, he\&#039;d be repelled by Blair in general &amp; his Iraq policy in particular, as liberals were.\n\nThere is a potential for a non-ideological party of the right, which disowns neoconservatism, to establish itself in America. But it will still be far away from what natural Tories are thinking.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Tories should realise, and are realising, that the US Republicans are not their natural allies. While I have a great deal of respect for Tory England at its best, the US &#8220;right&#8221; in all its forms fills me with horror. It was a terrible mistake to support the government over Iraq, when the natural instincts of Conservatives were against it.</p>
<p>I recall Michael Gove asserting that as a &#8220;right-wing polemicist&#8221; he admired Blair. But if he were a Tory, which he appears not to be, he&#8217;d be repelled by Blair in general &amp; his Iraq policy in particular, as liberals were.</p>
<p>There is a potential for a non-ideological party of the right, which disowns neoconservatism, to establish itself in America. But it will still be far away from what natural Tories are thinking.
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