Comments on: Israel is playing the victim again http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/ Daily views on British politics and the Conservative Party from a centre-right thinker who writes letters on his blog to politicians, journalists and many others. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:48:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: marvin http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2009 marvin Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:10 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2009 What do you say then, you condescending prick?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2009','marvin'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2009','marvin','What do you say then, you condescending prick?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> What do you say then, you condescending prick?
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]]> By: THE MAN http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2008 THE MAN Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:29:30 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2008 I have never visited a more infantile, ill-informed debate in all my years of visiting. My advice to lfat is delete the bloody lot, and hide the shame!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2008','THE MAN'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2008','THE MAN','I have never visited a more infantile, ill-informed debate in all my years of visiting.\n My advice to lfat is delete the bloody lot, and hide the shame!!'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> I have never visited a more infantile, ill-informed debate in all my years of visiting.
My advice to lfat is delete the bloody lot, and hide the shame!!
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]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2007 Letters From A Tory Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:11:54 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2007 I agree that this is not a black-or-white issue, which is why I hate people taking a partisan viewpoint on what is one of the most complex geographical and political histories of the last 50 years. I don't expect surrounding countries to just accept Palestinians because they shouldn't have to. A sovereign and peaceful Palestinian state is the objective and all groups and parties should be working towards this. I am appalled by anyone who gets in the way of the peace process and that includes Israel.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2007','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2007','Letters From A Tory','I agree that this is not a black-or-white issue, which is why I hate people taking a partisan viewpoint on what is one of the most complex geographical and political histories of the last 50 years.\n\nI don\'t expect surrounding countries to just accept Palestinians because they shouldn\'t have to. A sovereign and peaceful Palestinian state is the objective and all groups and parties should be working towards this. I am appalled by anyone who gets in the way of the peace process and that includes Israel.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> I agree that this is not a black-or-white issue, which is why I hate people taking a partisan viewpoint on what is one of the most complex geographical and political histories of the last 50 years.

I don’t expect surrounding countries to just accept Palestinians because they shouldn’t have to. A sovereign and peaceful Palestinian state is the objective and all groups and parties should be working towards this. I am appalled by anyone who gets in the way of the peace process and that includes Israel.

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]]> By: your mamma http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2005 your mamma Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:31:08 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2005 Candid, "Just a small point but where was the fighting when the jews moved in. That was the time to take a stance not now." I know you did not just say that?..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine ....... but the rest of your comment is pretty much true. This has been going on sooo long, most people today have no clue of what happened then or what the real facts are now even, which is why I don't support either side really, and choose to stand in the middle, which is where more people should be!!! That might help ! I blame lots of things for whats happening, but that doesn't solve anything does it? Palestinians, don't get the support from inside the middle east some would lead you to believe they do ..... they are often referred to as a "rat infestation.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2005','your mamma'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2005','your mamma','Candid,\n\n\"Just a small point but where was the fighting when the jews moved in. That was the time to take a stance not now.\"\n\nI know you did not just say that?.....\n\n\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/British_Mandate_of_Palestine\n\n\n.......\nbut the rest of your comment is pretty much true.\nThis has been going on sooo long, most people today have no clue of what happened then or what the real facts are now even, which is why I don\'t support either side really, and choose to stand in the middle, which is where more people should be!!! That might help !\nI blame lots of things for whats happening, but that doesn\'t solve anything does it?\nPalestinians, don\'t get the support from inside the middle east some would lead you to believe they do ..... they are often referred to as a \"rat infestation.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Candid,

“Just a small point but where was the fighting when the jews moved in. That was the time to take a stance not now.”

I know you did not just say that?…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

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but the rest of your comment is pretty much true.
This has been going on sooo long, most people today have no clue of what happened then or what the real facts are now even, which is why I don’t support either side really, and choose to stand in the middle, which is where more people should be!!! That might help !
I blame lots of things for whats happening, but that doesn’t solve anything does it?
Palestinians, don’t get the support from inside the middle east some would lead you to believe they do ….. they are often referred to as a “rat infestation.

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]]> By: marvin http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2006 marvin Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:27:04 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2006 Palestinian militants need to stop attacking Israel, full stop. They need to stop hiding and launching rocket attacks from civilian areas. Palestinian society, as a whole, needs to recognise the right of Israel to exist, to recognise that the Jews will not just leave the area. Israel has offered the Palestinians an independent state numerous times. It has been rejected outright every time. Why? Because they want the whole of the land to be ‘Palestine’. If you watch Palestinian TV you will see the the anti-Semitism has reached Nazi blood libel proportions, also in the surrounding Arab countries.

If Palestinian and Arab society in general can renounce this disgusting anti-Semitism, recognise Israel, and focus on a sovereign Palestinian state that is at peace with Israel, not at war, and strives to achieve self-reliance economically and socially, then and only then, will there be peace in the middle east.

Israel’s tough military responses, and Hamas and other militants cowardice and blatant disregard for civilian life do result in tragic and unnecessary Palestinian civilian deaths.

When King Abdullah of Jordan got pissed with the Palestinians, he annihilated 20,000 of them. Palestinian militants were turning up in Israel with the hands up, as they knew they would not be slaughtered but would get mercy.

Yet Palestinian, Arab, Muslim opinion focuses their entire wrath on Israel. Why have the surrounding Arab states consistently refused to give a homeland to the Palestinians?

The West Bank was part of Jordan! Gaza was claimed and occupied by Egypt!

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]]> By: Candid http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2004 Candid Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:29:05 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2004 Just a small point but where was the fighting when the jews moved in. That was the time to take a stance not now. Countries borders and boundaries have changed over and over again for centuries/millenia they are merely political and whimsical and they will always shift, form and reform. So yes it is a question of land but religion also plays a part in how aggressive the combatants will behave towards each other. No respect for the other's religion means no respect for them and therefore a life is easier to take (as they aren't the blessed ones etc.) so of course religion is part and parcel of the mentality of each group.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2004','Candid'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2004','Candid','Just a small point but where was the fighting when the jews moved in. That was the time to take a stance not now.\nCountries borders and boundaries have changed over and over again for centuries\/millenia they are merely political and whimsical and they will always shift, form and reform. So yes it is a question of land but religion also plays a part in how aggressive the combatants will behave towards each other. No respect for the other\'s religion means no respect for them and therefore a life is easier to take (as they aren\'t the blessed ones etc.) so of course religion is part and parcel of the mentality of each group.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Just a small point but where was the fighting when the jews moved in. That was the time to take a stance not now.
Countries borders and boundaries have changed over and over again for centuries/millenia they are merely political and whimsical and they will always shift, form and reform. So yes it is a question of land but religion also plays a part in how aggressive the combatants will behave towards each other. No respect for the other’s religion means no respect for them and therefore a life is easier to take (as they aren’t the blessed ones etc.) so of course religion is part and parcel of the mentality of each group.
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]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2003 Letters From A Tory Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:41:38 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2003 Are you kidding me?!?! Both Labour and the Conservatives have 'Friends of Israel' groups which boast some prominent members, but believe me when I say there isn't a 'Friends of Palestine' group in sight in the two main parties. Well done to the Liberal Democrats for having one - http://www.ldfp.eu/.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2003','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2003','Letters From A Tory','Are you kidding me?!?! Both Labour and the Conservatives have \'Friends of Israel\' groups which boast some prominent members, but believe me when I say there isn\'t a \'Friends of Palestine\' group in sight in the two main parties.\n\nWell done to the Liberal Democrats for having one - http:\/\/www.ldfp.eu\/.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Are you kidding me?!?! Both Labour and the Conservatives have ‘Friends of Israel’ groups which boast some prominent members, but believe me when I say there isn’t a ‘Friends of Palestine’ group in sight in the two main parties.

Well done to the Liberal Democrats for having one – http://www.ldfp.eu/.

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]]> By: schusterian http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2002 schusterian Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:37:47 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2002 Hello from America. Generally, do UK Tories find Labour 's highly sympathetic stance towards Israel objectionable?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2002','schusterian'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2002','schusterian','Hello from America.\n\nGenerally, do UK Tories find Labour \'s highly sympathetic stance towards Israel objectionable?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Hello from America.

Generally, do UK Tories find Labour ’s highly sympathetic stance towards Israel objectionable?

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]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2001 Letters From A Tory Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:17:44 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2001 Spot on. I know that Hamas and Fatah are loathed to recognise the state of Israel, but if someone built on my homeland I suspect that I'd be pretty outraged too.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2001','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2001','Letters From A Tory','Spot on. I know that Hamas and Fatah are loathed to recognise the state of Israel, but if someone built on my homeland I suspect that I\'d be pretty outraged too.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Spot on. I know that Hamas and Fatah are loathed to recognise the state of Israel, but if someone built on my homeland I suspect that I’d be pretty outraged too.
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]]> By: Madeley http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/17/israel-is-playing-the-victim-again/#comment-2000 Madeley Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:43 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=548#comment-2000 "The Israelis and Palestinians would probably live together fairly peacefully if both countries adhered to the same religion or better still none at all." I think the sticking point here, as A. Tory pointed out, isn't so much the religion thing as the occupying someone else's land thing. You don't need to be religious to be enraged when someone gives your country to someone else. You can't honestly say that if the two sets of people were the same religion, or had no religion at all, there wouldn't be a problem, can you?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2000','Madeley'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2000','Madeley','\"The Israelis and Palestinians would probably live together fairly peacefully if both countries adhered to the same religion or better still none at all.\"\n\nI think the sticking point here, as A. Tory pointed out, isn\'t so much the religion thing as the occupying someone else\'s land thing. You don\'t need to be religious to be enraged when someone gives your country to someone else. You can\'t honestly say that if the two sets of people were the same religion, or had no religion at all, there wouldn\'t be a problem, can you?'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> “The Israelis and Palestinians would probably live together fairly peacefully if both countries adhered to the same religion or better still none at all.”

I think the sticking point here, as A. Tory pointed out, isn’t so much the religion thing as the occupying someone else’s land thing. You don’t need to be religious to be enraged when someone gives your country to someone else. You can’t honestly say that if the two sets of people were the same religion, or had no religion at all, there wouldn’t be a problem, can you?

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