Comments on: Faith schools bring shame upon themselves (again) http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/03/faith-schools-bring-shame-upon-themselves-again/ Daily views on British politics and the Conservative Party from a centre-right thinker who writes letters on his blog to politicians, journalists and many others. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:10:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Helen http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/03/faith-schools-bring-shame-upon-themselves-again/#comment-1900 Helen Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:38:45 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-1900 Hmm, merit may get the best of people, but high schools are streamed anyway so the provision is there. I think that it couldn't work in the real world unfortunately. You would end up with your closest school just happening to be the dross, and you having to travel 10 miles to get to a school which provides a decent education, but you can't afford to drive there everyday or the ridiculous bus fairs, because you don't get any help because its not the closest school... Location based helps to create a more level field. If you have the intelligence you will do well enough in a streamed school, every school gets a balanced mix of the bad and good. Should be on a) location and b) for high schools - feeder schools. I do think there is an unneccesary hatred of faith schools. People want to get their kids in even when they are not of the faith - so the school must be doing something right... have you looked at what this is and why it is not emulated in other schools? I think this is the most important point. To be against something because it is desirable makes little sense. The existing faith schools, to not be faith schools would still be required as the places are needed, so why get rid of the faith part because as we have already looked at, it may be improving the school? All faith schools that I know (well - Catholic schools) the church pays towards the running of the school, they are definately putting in enough money to encourage the kids to say lunchtime grace once a day (I swear that is the most obvious difference! That and an unwillingness to show us condoms - just describe them in great deal with actions - a very interesting lesson!). Paying for admissions, very naughty, one thing admission has never been on in the past for state schools, is money and wealth.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1900','Helen'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1900','Helen','Hmm, merit may get the best of people, but high schools are streamed anyway so the provision is there. I think that it couldn\'t work in the real world unfortunately. You would end up with your closest school just happening to be the dross, and you having to travel 10 miles to get to a school which provides a decent education, but you can\'t afford to drive there everyday or the ridiculous bus fairs, because you don\'t get any help because its not the closest school...\nLocation based helps to create a more level field. If you have the intelligence you will do well enough in a streamed school, every school gets a balanced mix of the bad and good.\n\nShould be on a) location and b) for high schools - feeder schools.\n\nI do think there is an unneccesary hatred of faith schools.\nPeople want to get their kids in even when they are not of the faith - so the school must be doing something right... have you looked at what this is and why it is not emulated in other schools?\nI think this is the most important point. To be against something because it is desirable makes little sense.\n\nThe existing faith schools, to not be faith schools would still be required as the places are needed, so why get rid of the faith part because as we have already looked at, it may be improving the school?\n\nAll faith schools that I know (well - Catholic schools) the church pays towards the running of the school, they are definately putting in enough money to encourage the kids to say lunchtime grace once a day (I swear that is the most obvious difference! That and an unwillingness to show us condoms - just describe them in great deal with actions - a very interesting lesson!).\n\nPaying for admissions, very naughty, one thing admission has never been on in the past for state schools, is money and wealth.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Hmm, merit may get the best of people, but high schools are streamed anyway so the provision is there. I think that it couldn’t work in the real world unfortunately. You would end up with your closest school just happening to be the dross, and you having to travel 10 miles to get to a school which provides a decent education, but you can’t afford to drive there everyday or the ridiculous bus fairs, because you don’t get any help because its not the closest school…
Location based helps to create a more level field. If you have the intelligence you will do well enough in a streamed school, every school gets a balanced mix of the bad and good.

Should be on a) location and b) for high schools – feeder schools.

I do think there is an unneccesary hatred of faith schools.
People want to get their kids in even when they are not of the faith – so the school must be doing something right… have you looked at what this is and why it is not emulated in other schools?
I think this is the most important point. To be against something because it is desirable makes little sense.

The existing faith schools, to not be faith schools would still be required as the places are needed, so why get rid of the faith part because as we have already looked at, it may be improving the school?

All faith schools that I know (well – Catholic schools) the church pays towards the running of the school, they are definately putting in enough money to encourage the kids to say lunchtime grace once a day (I swear that is the most obvious difference! That and an unwillingness to show us condoms – just describe them in great deal with actions – a very interesting lesson!).

Paying for admissions, very naughty, one thing admission has never been on in the past for state schools, is money and wealth.

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]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/03/faith-schools-bring-shame-upon-themselves-again/#comment-1899 Letters From A Tory Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:22:36 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-1899 Nice way of putting it. A meritocracy would make for a pleasant change in our society.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1899','Letters From A Tory'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1899','Letters From A Tory','Nice way of putting it. A meritocracy would make for a pleasant change in our society.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> Nice way of putting it. A meritocracy would make for a pleasant change in our society.
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]]> By: Candid http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/04/03/faith-schools-bring-shame-upon-themselves-again/#comment-1898 Candid Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:34:59 +0000 http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-1898 If only all schools accepted children on the one critea that is really important in education - MERIT. Whether black, white, muslim, orthodox jew, male, female, rich or poor it really doesn't matter. What does matter is the grey matter!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1898','Candid'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1898','Candid','If only all schools accepted children on the one critea that is really important in education - MERIT. Whether black, white, muslim, orthodox jew, male, female, rich or poor it really doesn\'t matter. What does matter is the grey matter!'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div> If only all schools accepted children on the one critea that is really important in education – MERIT. Whether black, white, muslim, orthodox jew, male, female, rich or poor it really doesn’t matter. What does matter is the grey matter!
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