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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/01/12/bloody-environmentalists/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might also point out to That Annoying Environmentalist that it was Thatcher who raised this issue on many occasions including a speech to the Royal Society Sep 27 1988.

The Greens aren&#039;t a united front in themselves which leads to perverse contradictions in their arguments. We must remember that they are lobby groups, no more no less and do not have sole rights to the truth and in my experience no more honest than the industrial lobby.

I am particularly annoyed by the talk of an energy gap and that because nuclear takes so long to build that it is therefore irrelevant. The problem is that we could have started building new nuclear and long-term underground storage facilities if the green lobby hadn&#039;t been blocking it every step of the way. You can&#039;t fault them for a winning strategy I suppose but it is deeply irresponsible. For once I&#039;m grateful that Blair and now Brown has the balls to stand up to the green lobby. Let&#039;s hope that Brown (and Cameron) have the same balls to get tough when the greens start invading nuclear power station building sites to protest.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1415&#039;,&#039;DK&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1415&#039;,&#039;DK&#039;,&#039;You might also point out to That Annoying Environmentalist that it was Thatcher who raised this issue on many occasions including a speech to the Royal Society Sep 27 1988.\n\nThe Greens aren\&#039;t a united front in themselves which leads to perverse contradictions in their arguments. We must remember that they are lobby groups, no more no less and do not have sole rights to the truth and in my experience no more honest than the industrial lobby.\n\nI am particularly annoyed by the talk of an energy gap and that because nuclear takes so long to build that it is therefore irrelevant. The problem is that we could have started building new nuclear and long-term underground storage facilities if the green lobby hadn\&#039;t been blocking it every step of the way. You can\&#039;t fault them for a winning strategy I suppose but it is deeply irresponsible. For once I\&#039;m grateful that Blair and now Brown has the balls to stand up to the green lobby. Let\&#039;s hope that Brown (and Cameron) have the same balls to get tough when the greens start invading nuclear power station building sites to protest.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might also point out to That Annoying Environmentalist that it was Thatcher who raised this issue on many occasions including a speech to the Royal Society Sep 27 1988.</p>
<p>The Greens aren&#8217;t a united front in themselves which leads to perverse contradictions in their arguments. We must remember that they are lobby groups, no more no less and do not have sole rights to the truth and in my experience no more honest than the industrial lobby.</p>
<p>I am particularly annoyed by the talk of an energy gap and that because nuclear takes so long to build that it is therefore irrelevant. The problem is that we could have started building new nuclear and long-term underground storage facilities if the green lobby hadn&#8217;t been blocking it every step of the way. You can&#8217;t fault them for a winning strategy I suppose but it is deeply irresponsible. For once I&#8217;m grateful that Blair and now Brown has the balls to stand up to the green lobby. Let&#8217;s hope that Brown (and Cameron) have the same balls to get tough when the greens start invading nuclear power station building sites to protest.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1415','DK'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1415','DK','You might also point out to That Annoying Environmentalist that it was Thatcher who raised this issue on many occasions including a speech to the Royal Society Sep 27 1988.\n\nThe Greens aren\'t a united front in themselves which leads to perverse contradictions in their arguments. We must remember that they are lobby groups, no more no less and do not have sole rights to the truth and in my experience no more honest than the industrial lobby.\n\nI am particularly annoyed by the talk of an energy gap and that because nuclear takes so long to build that it is therefore irrelevant. The problem is that we could have started building new nuclear and long-term underground storage facilities if the green lobby hadn\'t been blocking it every step of the way. You can\'t fault them for a winning strategy I suppose but it is deeply irresponsible. For once I\'m grateful that Blair and now Brown has the balls to stand up to the green lobby. Let\'s hope that Brown (and Cameron) have the same balls to get tough when the greens start invading nuclear power station building sites to protest.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/01/12/bloody-environmentalists/#comment-1414</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s time politicians get something serious done, but at the same time my point that the debate is no longer a scientific one is presumably still valid - even though the debate may have begun as a purely scientific matter.

I&#039;m only interested in carefully researched scientific evidence and realistic solutions to how we might go about addressing the problem of climate change - nothing else is relevant, in my opinion.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1414&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1414&#039;,&#039;Letters From A Tory&#039;,&#039;I agree that it\&#039;s time politicians get something serious done, but at the same time my point that the debate is no longer a scientific one is presumably still valid - even though the debate may have begun as a purely scientific matter.\n\nI\&#039;m only interested in carefully researched scientific evidence and realistic solutions to how we might go about addressing the problem of climate change - nothing else is relevant, in my opinion.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s time politicians get something serious done, but at the same time my point that the debate is no longer a scientific one is presumably still valid &#8211; even though the debate may have begun as a purely scientific matter.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only interested in carefully researched scientific evidence and realistic solutions to how we might go about addressing the problem of climate change &#8211; nothing else is relevant, in my opinion.
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		<title>By: That Annoying Environmentalist</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/01/12/bloody-environmentalists/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>That Annoying Environmentalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one fundamental flaw in your argument: Whilst politicians were discussing the nicities of Poll Tax - environmentalists and scientists (sometimes people are both!) were trying to highlight the plight the planet will face as the atmosphere heats up due to anthropogenic increases in carbon dioxide emissions.  This was over 25 years ago and had more of these self-centered money grabbing politicians paid attention we might have been able to do something a little sooner.

However, as time has passed and emissions have increased of course the changes that have to be made will become more drastic and more urgent.  Even the IPCC is now starting to issue dire warnings.

I&#039;m not one to say we should all stop travelling anywhere as that wouldn&#039;t help but as for those using the economy argument, I direct you towards the &#039;New Scientist&#039; that explains the original calculations are all flawed.  And the more realistic calculations really do support the use of mucho money now to save mucho money later!

The main point of my argument is that politians need to stop blithering and wasting time and actually set down strict rules and infrastructure to allow the population to reduce their own emissions.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1413&#039;,&#039;That Annoying Environmentalist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1413&#039;,&#039;That Annoying Environmentalist&#039;,&#039;There is one fundamental flaw in your argument: Whilst politicians were discussing the nicities of Poll Tax - environmentalists and scientists (sometimes people are both!) were trying to highlight the plight the planet will face as the atmosphere heats up due to anthropogenic increases in carbon dioxide emissions.  This was over 25 years ago and had more of these self-centered money grabbing politicians paid attention we might have been able to do something a little sooner.\n\nHowever, as time has passed and emissions have increased of course the changes that have to be made will become more drastic and more urgent.  Even the IPCC is now starting to issue dire warnings.\n\nI\&#039;m not one to say we should all stop travelling anywhere as that wouldn\&#039;t help but as for those using the economy argument, I direct you towards the \&#039;New Scientist\&#039; that explains the original calculations are all flawed.  And the more realistic calculations really do support the use of mucho money now to save mucho money later!\n\nThe main point of my argument is that politians need to stop blithering and wasting time and actually set down strict rules and infrastructure to allow the population to reduce their own emissions.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one fundamental flaw in your argument: Whilst politicians were discussing the nicities of Poll Tax &#8211; environmentalists and scientists (sometimes people are both!) were trying to highlight the plight the planet will face as the atmosphere heats up due to anthropogenic increases in carbon dioxide emissions.  This was over 25 years ago and had more of these self-centered money grabbing politicians paid attention we might have been able to do something a little sooner.</p>
<p>However, as time has passed and emissions have increased of course the changes that have to be made will become more drastic and more urgent.  Even the IPCC is now starting to issue dire warnings.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not one to say we should all stop travelling anywhere as that wouldn&#8217;t help but as for those using the economy argument, I direct you towards the &#8216;New Scientist&#8217; that explains the original calculations are all flawed.  And the more realistic calculations really do support the use of mucho money now to save mucho money later!</p>
<p>The main point of my argument is that politians need to stop blithering and wasting time and actually set down strict rules and infrastructure to allow the population to reduce their own emissions.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1413','That Annoying Environmentalist'); return false;">Reply to this comment</a>   &#8211;  <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1413','That Annoying Environmentalist','There is one fundamental flaw in your argument: Whilst politicians were discussing the nicities of Poll Tax - environmentalists and scientists (sometimes people are both!) were trying to highlight the plight the planet will face as the atmosphere heats up due to anthropogenic increases in carbon dioxide emissions.  This was over 25 years ago and had more of these self-centered money grabbing politicians paid attention we might have been able to do something a little sooner.\n\nHowever, as time has passed and emissions have increased of course the changes that have to be made will become more drastic and more urgent.  Even the IPCC is now starting to issue dire warnings.\n\nI\'m not one to say we should all stop travelling anywhere as that wouldn\'t help but as for those using the economy argument, I direct you towards the \'New Scientist\' that explains the original calculations are all flawed.  And the more realistic calculations really do support the use of mucho money now to save mucho money later!\n\nThe main point of my argument is that politians need to stop blithering and wasting time and actually set down strict rules and infrastructure to allow the population to reduce their own emissions.'); return false;">Quote this comment</a></div>
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		<title>By: Terrible Tory Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/01/12/bloody-environmentalists/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrible Tory Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant - thank God someone (bonus points for being a Tory) is not bowing down to the rubbish spurted out of these environmentalists&#039; mouths.

Keep up the angry letter writing - it does achieve results ;)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1411&#039;,&#039;Terrible Tory Girl&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1411&#039;,&#039;Terrible Tory Girl&#039;,&#039;Brilliant - thank God someone (bonus points for being a Tory) is not bowing down to the rubbish spurted out of these environmentalists\&#039; mouths.\n\nKeep up the angry letter writing - it does achieve results ;)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant &#8211; thank God someone (bonus points for being a Tory) is not bowing down to the rubbish spurted out of these environmentalists&#8217; mouths.</p>
<p>Keep up the angry letter writing &#8211; it does achieve results <img src='http://www.lettersfromatory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Andrew Allison</title>
		<link>http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2008/01/12/bloody-environmentalists/#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. I have linked you on my blog.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1412&#039;,&#039;Andrew Allison&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply to this comment&lt;/a&gt;   -  &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1412&#039;,&#039;Andrew Allison&#039;,&#039;Well said. I have linked you on my blog.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote this comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. I have linked you on my blog.
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